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| Frawley |
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| Good Soldier Schweik |
| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:47 am |
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:18:49 -0500, Frawley <frawley411@aol.com>
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The news you read is about what is being reported in Thailand. So far
the P.M. has said that if Kasit is formally charged he will have to
step down but so far he has not been charged. Merely met with the
police to respond to questions.
I'm not sure about the balance of power as the Bangkok Governor had to
step down and that didn't seem to do anything to assist the
opposition. If anything it tended to highlight that the Thaksinites
don't have a power base in Bangkok.
cheers,
Schweik
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| Noi |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:56 am |
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On Jul 13, 1:18 pm, Frawley <frawley...@aol.com> wrote:
K'John:
Although I have been away from this forum for awhile (for obvious
reasons), I have been following Thai politics (from various Thai web
sites and friends in Thailand) very closely. It has been an eye
opening experience to say the least.
I found that Thai politics has many layers, extremely complex, and
cruel. But most of all, I found out that Thailand has never had a
true democracy (with the exception to during PM Taksin period) A
small group of people have been in power for 100 of years and they are
very determined keep things in Thailand the way it has been for 100
years. A Thai word for this group of people is “Ummattayatipatai” (Aristocracy).
Now, to your question regarding Kasit, there are many opinions
(predictions) of whether or not he will be able to hang on to his
Foreign Ministry Office despite of the criminal charges against him
for terrorist acts (International Airport, and Government building
seizure). There’s no question that he’s a liability and a lightning
rod for the current administration. However, rumor has it, that he
will continue his post (some people thought that Apisit will get rid
of him after the Asean Summit meeting in Phuket), simply, because he
has “Sen Yai”, “Poo Mee Amnat”, all of which mean the un-seen power
that be appointed him to this post (another example and confirmation
of Thailand has never had true democracy), and it will take the un-
seen power that be to get rid of him as well!
A side note, most of Thai media are nothing but a shill for the
aristocrats and military boot lickers, so take it with a grain of salt
when you read the news from Thailand (including the Nation (aka Na-
chua among Thai freedom lovers, Chua is Thai word for evil).
Regards,
Noi |
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| pluto |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:41 am |
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On Jul 18, 10:56 am, Noi <superpl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 13, 1:18 pm, Frawley <frawley...@aol.com> wrote:
A side note, most of Thai media are nothing but a shill for the
aristocrats and military boot lickers, so take it with a grain of salt
when you read the news from Thailand (including the Nation (aka Na-
chua among Thai freedom lovers, Chua is Thai word for evil).
Regards,
Noi- Hide quoted text -
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AH 55555555555
thanks a great heap, k noi for this '
it takes a thai and oine residing outside los and in the "advanced
west" to read the thai crystal ball !
Even those scters now in los are somehow "assimilated, inculturated"
into the local "accepted truths" of daily thai events ;-)
p/s my local isps have really screwed up the smtp and nntp's - hence
we are not getting much in our nntp/smtp readers
what you see are those smers posting from web fora |
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| maxwell |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:53 am |
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"pluto" wrote
Quote: p/s my local isps have really screwed up the smtp and nntp's - hence we are
not getting much in our nntp/smtp readers what you see are those smers
posting from web fora
ah, 'twas only the cyber snafu. good to know ;~) |
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| maxwell |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:07 pm |
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"Noi" wrote 'quoted printable' encoding:
Frawley wrote:
K'John:
<snip>
I found that Thai politics has many layers, extremely complex, and cruel.
But most of all, I found out that Thailand has never had a true democracy
(with the exception to during PM Taksin period)
~~It seems you've been claiming for some years that getting the popular vote
= democracy.
~~I wonder if you could agree that the 1997 Constitution was very democratic
in its intent, and if so, can you agree that politicians who circumvent the
1997 charter's prohibitions against conflicts of interest and who
circumvent its checks-and-balances are anti-democratic?
A small group of people have been in power for 100 of years and they are
very determined keep things in Thailand the way it has been for 100 years.
A Thai word for this group of people is “Ummattayatipatai” (=Aristocracy).
~~Would a non-aristocrat need to conceal *large* assets in an off-shore tax
haven nation before entering government office?
~~Would a non-aristocrat engage in complex hidden financial transactions
with inarguably aristocratic partners, both within and out of Thailand, and
even re-write laws pertaining to business he owns for self-enrichment at the
cost of taxes that would otherwise accrue to Thailand, while supposedly
serving Thailand as Prime Minister?
Now, to your question
<interesting reflections noted; thank you>
A side note, most of Thai media are nothing but a shill for the aristocrats
and military boot lickers, so take it with a grain of salt when you read the
news from Thailand (including the Nation (aka Na-
chua among Thai freedom lovers, Chua is Thai word for evil).
~~Would you say that a free press is a necessity for actual democracy?
~~You would seem to agree with me that when the media kowtows to
aristocratic wishes to report only news favourable to aristocrats and to
military, that they are shills.
~~These 'Thai freedom lovers' you speak of are perhaps not regular readers
of The Nation?
~~I ask this because "nothing but a shill" and the rest you wrote suggests
one would not find writing in the Nation that is in any way revealing of
military/aristocratic intrigues .. and yet such is not the case.
Regards,
Noi
~~Cheers,
~~maxwell |
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| Noi |
| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:19 am |
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On Jul 18, 2:41 am, pluto <icq...@streamyx.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 18, 10:56 am, Noi <superpl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 13, 1:18 pm, Frawley <frawley...@aol.com> wrote:
A side note, most of Thai media are nothing but a shill for the
aristocrats and military boot lickers, so take it with a grain of salt
when you read the news from Thailand (including the Nation (aka Na-
chua among Thai freedom lovers, Chua is Thai word for evil).
Regards,
Noi- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
AH 55555555555
thanks a great heap, k noi for this '
it takes a thai and oine residing outside los and in the "advanced
west" to read the thai crystal ball !
Even those scters now in los are somehow "assimilated, inculturated"
into the local "accepted truths" of daily thai events ;-)
p/s my local isps have really screwed up the smtp and nntp's - hence
we are not getting much in our nntp/smtp readers
what you see are those smers posting from web fora
K'Pluto:
Most of the Thai websites/blogs that I regularly visiting, they wrote
in "code" language, very difficult to understand even for most Thai
people, much less for foreigners!
Below is my old post in this forum, a prediction that came through!
"Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: Noi <taw...@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:47:23 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Dec 23 2007 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: 92% of votes counted; PPP close to majority
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On Dec 23, 10:38 am, Chen <c...@europe.com> wrote:
Quote: PPP still didn't get "enough vote" to form government.
Not to worry the leaders of Pua Pandin party and Chatthai party
(Junta's boot licking parties) were immediately summon to see General
"Tudd" (the real Junta's power). And it looks like these two junta
boot licker parties (66 seats) will form a coalition government with
the Democrat party (aka the cockroach party). As I posted awhile
back
that general "Tudd" wants Apisit to be PM, if not by election then
another "crisis" that required another coup and general "Tudd" will
appoint Apisit to be an interim PM.
The twist and turn of Thai sakdina politicians will make soap opera
world brush!
Noi" |
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