Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my
question here.

I would like to learn the thai language and
already have some english and german books.
But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my
computer with the ability to check my
pronunciation because I often think that I have
vocalized properly and then hear from others
that I said something completely different ...
E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...

Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german)
software and could recommend it.

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

Go to:

Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
I would like to learn the thai language and already have some english
and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability
to check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized
properly and then hear from others that I said something completely
different ... E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

Bernd Leutenecker wrote:
Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
I would like to learn the thai language and already have some english
and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability
to check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized
properly and then hear from others that I said something completely
different ... E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.

k Bernd
I think you are not OT if you ask for Thai language here.
Yeah, but to call your girlfriend dog or horse after 5 years ...
Hmm.
OK
Here is a link that you may use for your pronunciation improvement.
But you have to install "Quicktime" on your computer to hear the words.

http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm


peace

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:11:24 +0200, ??????? <saparot1@arcor.de> wrote:

Bernd Leutenecker wrote:
Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
I would like to learn the thai language and already have some english
and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability
to check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized
properly and then hear from others that I said something completely
different ... E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.

k Bernd
I think you are not OT if you ask for Thai language here.
Yeah, but to call your girlfriend dog or horse after 5 years ...
Hmm.
OK
Here is a link that you may use for your pronunciation improvement.
But you have to install "Quicktime" on your computer to hear the words.

http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm


peace

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

I wonder what he thinks he is calling his girlfriend, that sounds like
dog or horse?

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:11:24 +0200, ??????? <saparot1@arcor.de> wrote:

Bernd Leutenecker wrote:
Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
I would like to learn the thai language and already have some english
and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability
to check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized
properly and then hear from others that I said something completely
different ... E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.

k Bernd
I think you are not OT if you ask for Thai language here.
Yeah, but to call your girlfriend dog or horse after 5 years ...
Hmm.
OK
Here is a link that you may use for your pronunciation improvement.
But you have to install "Quicktime" on your computer to hear the words.

http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm


peace

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

I wonder what he thinks he is calling his girlfriend, that sounds like
dog or horse?

I would guess maa (mid tone- come here) rather than maa (rising tone - dog)
or maa (high tone - horse).

Pietro

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:55:42 +0930, "Peter Wyzl"
noone@dontbesilly.com> wrote:

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
news:7ui255lpjdhjg1chc9bcik5akf3vdto8fh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:11:24 +0200, ??????? <saparot1@arcor.de> wrote:

Bernd Leutenecker wrote:
Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
I would like to learn the thai language and already have some english
and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability
to check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized
properly and then hear from others that I said something completely
different ... E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.

k Bernd
I think you are not OT if you ask for Thai language here.
Yeah, but to call your girlfriend dog or horse after 5 years ...
Hmm.
OK
Here is a link that you may use for your pronunciation improvement.
But you have to install "Quicktime" on your computer to hear the words.

http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm


peace

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

I wonder what he thinks he is calling his girlfriend, that sounds like
dog or horse?

I would guess maa (mid tone- come here) rather than maa (rising tone -
dog)
or maa (high tone - horse).

Pietro

But one doesn't normally just say "Maa" into an empty room. More usual
to say "maa nee, Nong" or something similar, isn't it?

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
news:rp4555pgllai0mrp5au37lsuv9a3ovrcd8@4ax.com...
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:55:42 +0930, "Peter Wyzl"
noone@dontbesilly.com> wrote:

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
news:7ui255lpjdhjg1chc9bcik5akf3vdto8fh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:11:24 +0200, ??????? <saparot1@arcor.de> wrote:

Bernd Leutenecker wrote:
Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
I would like to learn the thai language and already have some english
and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability
to check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized
properly and then hear from others that I said something completely
different ... E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.

k Bernd
I think you are not OT if you ask for Thai language here.
Yeah, but to call your girlfriend dog or horse after 5 years ...
Hmm.
OK
Here is a link that you may use for your pronunciation improvement.
But you have to install "Quicktime" on your computer to hear the words.

http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm


peace

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

I wonder what he thinks he is calling his girlfriend, that sounds like
dog or horse?

I would guess maa (mid tone- come here) rather than maa (rising tone -
dog)
or maa (high tone - horse).

Pietro

But one doesn't normally just say "Maa" into an empty room. More usual
to say "maa nee, Nong" or something similar, isn't it?

Indeed, but he is probably saying 'Dog here nong' or 'Horse here nong' ...

P

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:35:15 +0930, "Peter Wyzl"
noone@dontbesilly.com> wrote:

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:55:42 +0930, "Peter Wyzl"
noone@dontbesilly.com> wrote:

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
news:7ui255lpjdhjg1chc9bcik5akf3vdto8fh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:11:24 +0200, ??????? <saparot1@arcor.de> wrote:

Bernd Leutenecker wrote:
Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
I would like to learn the thai language and already have some english
and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability
to check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized
properly and then hear from others that I said something completely
different ... E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.

k Bernd
I think you are not OT if you ask for Thai language here.
Yeah, but to call your girlfriend dog or horse after 5 years ...
Hmm.
OK
Here is a link that you may use for your pronunciation improvement.
But you have to install "Quicktime" on your computer to hear the words.

http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm


peace

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

I wonder what he thinks he is calling his girlfriend, that sounds like
dog or horse?

I would guess maa (mid tone- come here) rather than maa (rising tone -
dog)
or maa (high tone - horse).

Pietro

But one doesn't normally just say "Maa" into an empty room. More usual
to say "maa nee, Nong" or something similar, isn't it?

Indeed, but he is probably saying 'Dog here nong' or 'Horse here nong' ...

P

But, I'll bet that if they have been living together for any period
that know what each other is saying. After all, don't most couples
develop a "private language" that they understand, and perhaps others
don't?

cheers,
Schweik

http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm
|| >>>>>>peace

| >But, I'll bet that if they have been living together for any period that
know what each other is saying. After all, don't most couples
| >develop a "private language" that they understand, and perhaps others
| >don't?
|
| I believe you may be over thinking this. The OP seems simply interested
in finding a mechanism to better understand tonal
| differences and speak the language with improved precision, not really so
much to let his girlfriend understand him better. As you suggest, she
likely understands him just fine but he probably wishes, all the same, to
provoke a little less laughter. :-)

| >cheers,
| >Schweik

| Regards,
| - Frawley

As poor as I am with speaking tones anywhere near reasonably correct,
if I were Bernd, I'd consider getting a dog and a horse to provide some
additional feedback 8~)

Cheers,
-maxwell

On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:08:55 +0700, Good Soldier Schweik
decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:35:15 +0930, "Peter Wyzl"
noone@dontbesilly.com> wrote:

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
news:rp4555pgllai0mrp5au37lsuv9a3ovrcd8@4ax.com...
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:55:42 +0930, "Peter Wyzl"
noone@dontbesilly.com> wrote:

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
news:7ui255lpjdhjg1chc9bcik5akf3vdto8fh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:11:24 +0200, ??????? <saparot1@arcor.de> wrote:

Bernd Leutenecker wrote:
Hello!

As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
I would like to learn the thai language and already have some english
and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability
to check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized
properly and then hear from others that I said something completely
different ... E. g. after five years I still call my girl-
friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.

k Bernd
I think you are not OT if you ask for Thai language here.
Yeah, but to call your girlfriend dog or horse after 5 years ...
Hmm.
OK
Here is a link that you may use for your pronunciation improvement.
But you have to install "Quicktime" on your computer to hear the words.

http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm


peace

Thank you!

Bernd Leutenecker

I wonder what he thinks he is calling his girlfriend, that sounds like
dog or horse?

I would guess maa (mid tone- come here) rather than maa (rising tone -
dog)
or maa (high tone - horse).

Pietro

But one doesn't normally just say "Maa" into an empty room. More usual
to say "maa nee, Nong" or something similar, isn't it?

Indeed, but he is probably saying 'Dog here nong' or 'Horse here nong' ...

P

But, I'll bet that if they have been living together for any period
that know what each other is saying. After all, don't most couples
develop a "private language" that they understand, and perhaps others
don't?

I believe you may be over thinking this. The OP seems simply
interested in finding a mechanism to better understand tonal
differences and speak the language with improved precision, not really
so much to let his girlfriend understand him better. As you suggest,
she likely understands him just fine but he probably wishes, all the
same, to provoke a little less laughter.

"Frawley" wrote ...
| Good Soldier Schweik wrote:
| >"Peter Wyzl" wrote:
| >>"Good Soldier Schweik" wrote ...
| >>> "Peter Wyzl"wrote:
| >>>>"Good Soldier Schweik" wrote ...
| >>>>> ??????? <saparot1@arcor.de> wrote:
| >>>>>>Bernd Leutenecker wrote:
| >>>>>>> Hello!
| >>>>>>> As this is the only Thai-NG I found I post my question here.
| >>>>>>> I would like to learn the thai language and already have some
english and german books. But as I know that I have many problems with the
proper pronunciation I need something for my computer with the ability to
check my pronunciation because I often think that I have vocalized properly
and then hear from others that I said something completely different ... E.
g. after five years I still call my girl-friend (Maa) 'dog' or 'horse' ...
| >>>>>>> Maybe somebody knows such a (english or german) software and could
recommend it.
|
| >>>>>>k Bernd
| >>>>>>I think you are not OT if you ask for Thai language here.
| >>>>>>Yeah, but to call your girlfriend dog or horse after 5 years ...
| >>>>>>Hmm.
| >>>>>>OK
| >>>>>>Here is a link that you may use for your pronunciation improvement.
| >>>>>>But you have to install "Quicktime" on your computer to hear the
words.
|
http://www.seasite.niu.edu:85/thai/language/vocabulary/vocabulary.htm
|| >>>>>>peace
|
| >>>>>>> Thank you!
| >>>>>>> Bernd Leutenecker
|
| >>>>> I wonder what he thinks he is calling his girlfriend, that sounds
like dog or horse?
|
| >>>>I would guess maa (mid tone- come here) rather than maa (rising tone -
| >>>>dog)
| >>>>or maa (high tone - horse).
|
| >>>>Pietro
|
| >>> But one doesn't normally just say "Maa" into an empty room. More usual
to say "maa nee, Nong" or something similar, isn't it?
|
| >>Indeed, but he is probably saying 'Dog here nong' or 'Horse here nong'
...
|
| >>P
|
| >But, I'll bet that if they have been living together for any period that
know what each other is saying. After all, don't most couples
| >develop a "private language" that they understand, and perhaps others
| >don't?
|
| I believe you may be over thinking this. The OP seems simply interested
in finding a mechanism to better understand tonal
| differences and speak the language with improved precision, not really so
much to let his girlfriend understand him better. As you suggest, she
likely understands him just fine but he probably wishes, all the same, to
provoke a little less laughter. :-)

| >cheers,
| >Schweik

| Regards,
| - Frawley

As poor as I am with speaking tones anywhere near reasonably correct,
if I were Bernd, I'd consider getting a dog and a horse to provide some
additional feedback 8~)

Cheers,
-maxwell

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:19:54 -0400, "maxwell" <mmmaxwell@hotmail.com
wrote:

| >But, I'll bet that if they have been living together for any period that
know what each other is saying. After all, don't most couples
| >develop a "private language" that they understand, and perhaps others
| >don't?
|
| I believe you may be over thinking this. The OP seems simply interested
in finding a mechanism to better understand tonal
| differences and speak the language with improved precision, not really so
much to let his girlfriend understand him better. As you suggest, she
likely understands him just fine but he probably wishes, all the same, to
provoke a little less laughter. :-)

| >cheers,
| >Schweik

| Regards,
| - Frawley

As poor as I am with speaking tones anywhere near reasonably correct,
if I were Bernd, I'd consider getting a dog and a horse to provide some
additional feedback 8~)

Cheers,
-maxwell

I've never had the maa issue with Nam Peung because I just ask her to
come on over by using her name (accompanied by subtle physical clue,
if necessary). Now the mother-in-law... I've "accidentally" called
*her* a dog or horse on occasion, then laughed it off, same as I
sometimes accidentally call the aunts "crazy". Sometimes it's good
fun to be viewed as ignorant in the language. :-)

Regards,
- Frawley

"Frawley" wrote ...
| "maxwell" wrote:

| >| >But, I'll bet that if they have been living together for any period
that know what each other is saying. After all, don't most couples
| >| >develop a "private language" that they understand, and perhaps others
don't?
| >|
| >| I believe you may be over thinking this. The OP seems simply
interested in finding a mechanism to better understand tonal
| >| differences and speak the language with improved precision, not really
so much to let his girlfriend understand him better. As you suggest, she
likely understands him just fine but he probably wishes, all the same, to
provoke a little less laughter.
|
| >| >cheers,
| >| >Schweik
|
| >| Regards,
| >| - Frawley
|
| >As poor as I am with speaking tones anywhere near reasonably correct, if
I were Bernd, I'd consider getting a dog and a horse to provide some
additional feedback 8~)
| >Cheers,
| >-maxwell
|
| I've never had the maa issue with Nam Peung because I just ask her to come
on over by using her name (accompanied by subtle physical clue, if
necessary). Now the mother-in-law... I've "accidentally" called *her* a
dog or horse on occasion, then laughed it off,

I may be fortunate as my m-i-l is rather deaf, while elder sister who lives
with m-i-l is both entertained by my errors and lately has concluded that
I'm likely too old to learn much pasah Thai . . though I hope to surprise
her a bit . . eventually . .

|same as I sometimes accidentally call the aunts "crazy". Sometimes it's
good fun to be viewed as ignorant in the language. :-)

Indeed!
(I've also learned that Thai of our acquaintance are much less inhibited
about laughing at certain *minor* 'misfortunes of motion' I've had on
occasion than are many an American--and in such a warm-hearted manner that
it's rather easy for me to join in the fun ;~)

| Regards,
| - Frawley

Cheers,
-maxwell

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:47:02 -0400, "maxwell" <mmmaxwell@hotmail.com
wrote:

snip

A bit off topic but it seems to me that women are more adapt in
understanding my mispronounced Thai than men. Or perhaps I talk to
women more?

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@sig.line> wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:47:02 -0400, "maxwell" <mmmaxwell@hotmail.com
wrote:

snip

A bit off topic but it seems to me that women are more adapt in
understanding my mispronounced Thai than men. Or perhaps I talk to
women more?

It seems that many western men learn their Thai from speaking to women, not
realising that Thai men and Thai women do speak differently, use different
colloquialisms, different forms of address etc. Western men can tend to
sound a little odd to Thai men because of this. This is probably true of
most cultures and languages to some extent, so if you only learn a language
from the opposite gender, you may tend to speak a little differently.

In relation you the Thai women understanding better, I too have that
experience, particularly with my Aunt who often repeats what I just said to
my uncle - it sounds the same to me, so there is some subtlety I am probably
missing.

P