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Tim Williams
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:38 pm
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I have a PDF with some fairly low resolution bitmap graphics in it. It
looks fine on screen, but prints way worse than the bitmap should. The
output looks like it's printing a 75 DPI bitmap at 100 DPI, no upsampling,
no antialiasing, only doubling lines every so often. As this is a
schematic, actual one-pixel width lines vary from 1 to 2 pixels wide and
text looks horrible.

On the very same page, vector graphics are rendered at high resolution, and
a few pages over, high resolution bitmaps render properly (or more likely,
they're being stretched the same way, but I can't see it at that
resolution).

When the images themselves are printed (e.g. from Firefox or Windows Paint),
they come out fine. I'm pretty sure it's an Adobe Reader thing. The
question is why, and how do I make it behave?

I would hate to have the only solution be resample the bitmaps. I'm
thinking stretching the schematics by a factor of 6 will make them print
correctly. But this is an ugly solution to a problem that shouldn't exist!

Tim

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Polyp
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:27 pm
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"Tim Williams" <tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
I have a PDF with some fairly low resolution bitmap graphics in it. It
looks fine on screen, but prints way worse than the bitmap should. The
output looks like it's printing a 75 DPI bitmap at 100 DPI, no upsampling,
no antialiasing, only doubling lines every so often. As this is a
schematic, actual one-pixel width lines vary from 1 to 2 pixels wide and
text looks horrible.

On the very same page, vector graphics are rendered at high resolution,
and a few pages over, high resolution bitmaps render properly (or more
likely, they're being stretched the same way, but I can't see it at that
resolution).

When the images themselves are printed (e.g. from Firefox or Windows
Paint), they come out fine. I'm pretty sure it's an Adobe Reader thing.
The question is why, and how do I make it behave?

I would hate to have the only solution be resample the bitmaps. I'm
thinking stretching the schematics by a factor of 6 will make them print
correctly. But this is an ugly solution to a problem that shouldn't
exist!

Tim

--
Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms


I know SFA about what the problem is, however I have had similar problems
printing schematics / dwgs and have got around the problem by selecting
"print as image" in the print options.

HTH.
JosephKK
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:14 am
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:22:24 -0700, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Quote:
Tim Williams wrote:
I have a PDF with some fairly low resolution bitmap graphics in it. It
looks fine on screen, but prints way worse than the bitmap should. The
output looks like it's printing a 75 DPI bitmap at 100 DPI, no upsampling,
no antialiasing, only doubling lines every so often. As this is a
schematic, actual one-pixel width lines vary from 1 to 2 pixels wide and
text looks horrible.

On the very same page, vector graphics are rendered at high resolution, and
a few pages over, high resolution bitmaps render properly (or more likely,
they're being stretched the same way, but I can't see it at that
resolution).

When the images themselves are printed (e.g. from Firefox or Windows Paint),
they come out fine. I'm pretty sure it's an Adobe Reader thing. The
question is why, and how do I make it behave?

I would hate to have the only solution be resample the bitmaps. I'm
thinking stretching the schematics by a factor of 6 will make them print
correctly. But this is an ugly solution to a problem that shouldn't exist!

Tim

Adobe "invented" vector graphics: PostScript - which is included as a
part of the Acrobat "engine", so that is why vector graphics are so good.

No. Vector graphics predate the oscilloscope in its most primitive
form. Indeed it is the very basis of engineering drawings. Language
definitions and tutorials for PDF and PostScript are available for
free from Adobe on their web site.

PostScript fonts is all about characters defined as outline and fill,
the rest of it is rasterization and a graphics definition and page
layout language. But if you are really interested ask Don Lancaster.

Quote:
I think that other graphics are converted to JPEG internally at (am
guessing wildly) 20 percent compression, thereby adding the visible
trash during output.

Images are generally handled as some source decoded into a bitmap,
cropped, and inserted at the specified location. It is possible to
write some pretty impressive image manipulation tricks in PostScript.

Quote:
And i suppose that you know about moire patterns and how they show as
the angle of the two dot patterns are changed.
JosephKK
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:18 am
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:51:10 -0500, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

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"JosephKK" <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:38:05 -0500, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:
I suspect that this is related to the file format that the graphic is
stored in. Try various file format conversions and se what happens.

Well, it starts out as PNG. Damned if I know the internal format after it's
chugged away. I can only start from a few formats, since pdflatex only
supports those.

Tim

You might try conversion to either jpeg or svg depending on content.
What does pdflatex handle?
Tim Williams
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:57 am
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"JosephKK" <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
You might try conversion to either jpeg or svg depending on content.
What does pdflatex handle?

JPG, PNG and PDF. Printing to PDF I'm guessing ends up with the same
problem (although it probably depends on what you use), and JPEG is
suboptimal for monochrome line drawings.

Tim

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