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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:59:08 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice
<ironjustice@gawab.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 27, 9:55 am, "Waterspider" <nos...@all.com> wrote:
Mental illness is his biggest fault;
This group .. hepatitis c is for those with hepatitis and support ..
You've been here far longer than you should ..
This post has to do with 100X more chance of liver cancer.
YOU step on it ..
Now .. explain .. yourself ..
Or stay off my threads ..
Or what? You're gonna beat him up?
Grow the hell up, put him in your filter (if you're not in control
enough to ignore him) and move on.
Quote:
Understand you hepatitis ridden .. atheist .. btch .. ?
"atheist"? Where the hell are you going now? Or are you going to tell
me only the fairy tale believing conservatives can post here?
Quote: This says fifty percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have
100 times more chance of dying from iron give or take a couple of
losers.
That's NOT what it says you idiot. It says, and I quote "Alcoholic
liver disease (ALD)". It does NOT define what ALD is nor does it
anywhere say "fifty percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have
100 times more chance of dying from iron give or take a couple of
losers."
You're a liar. Or your an idiot. I'll let you decide which you are for
yourself.
Quote: Alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C:
A frequently underestimated combination.
World J Gastroenterol. 2009 Jul 28;15(2  :3462-71.
Mueller S, Millonig G, Seitz HK.
Department of Medicine and Center for Alcohol Research,
Liver Disease and Nutrition, Salem Medical Center,
University of Heidelberg, Zeppelinstrasse 11-33,
69121 Heidelberg, Germany.
sebastian.muel...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de.
Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) and hepatitis C virus
(HCV) infection represent, either alone or in combination,
more than two thirds of all patients with liver disease
in the Western world.
This review discusses the epidemiology and combined
impact of ALD and HCV on the progression of liver disease.
ALD and HCV affect the progression of liver disease to liver
cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in a synergistic
manner.
Thus, the risk for HCC increases five times with a daily
alcohol consumption of 80 g; in the presence of HCV it is
increased 20-fold, and a combination of both risk factors
leads to a more than 100-fold risk for HCC development.
Alcohol consumption also decreases the response to interferon
treatment which is probably due to a lack of compliance than a
direct effect on HCV replication.
Several molecular mechanisms are discussed that could explain
the synergistic interaction of alcohol and HCV on disease
progression.
They include modulation of the immune response and apoptosis,
increased oxidative stress via induction of CYP2E1 and the
hepatic accumulation of iron.
Thus, both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation in > 50% of patients probably due to suppression
of the liver-secreted systemic iron hormone hepcidin.
A better understanding of hepcidin regulation could help in
developing novel therapeutic approaches to treat the chronic
disease in the future.
For now, it can be generally concluded that HCV-infected
patients should abstain from alcohol and alcoholics should
be encouraged to participate in detoxification programs.
PMID: 19630099
Who loves ya.
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On Jul 28, 3:06 pm, h...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that you can't read worth a damn <<
It's been pointed out .. goofs .. don't post here ..
Write IT FKG DOWN ..
This says fifty percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have
100
times more chance of dying from iron give or take a couple of losers.
Alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C:
A frequently underestimated combination.
World J Gastroenterol. 2009 Jul 28;15(2:3462-71.
Mueller S, Millonig G, Seitz HK.
Department of Medicine and Center for Alcohol Research,
Liver Disease and Nutrition, Salem Medical Center,
University of Heidelberg, Zeppelinstrasse 11-33,
69121 Heidelberg, Germany.
sebastian.muel...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de.
Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) and hepatitis C virus
(HCV) infection represent, either alone or in combination,
more than two thirds of all patients with liver disease
in the Western world.
This review discusses the epidemiology and combined
impact of ALD and HCV on the progression of liver disease.
ALD and HCV affect the progression of liver disease to liver
cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in a synergistic
manner.
Thus, the risk for HCC increases five times with a daily
alcohol consumption of 80 g; in the presence of HCV it is
increased 20-fold, and a combination of both risk factors
leads to a more than 100-fold risk for HCC development.
Alcohol consumption also decreases the response to interferon
treatment which is probably due to a lack of compliance than a
direct effect on HCV replication.
Several molecular mechanisms are discussed that could explain
the synergistic interaction of alcohol and HCV on disease
progression.
They include modulation of the immune response and apoptosis,
increased oxidative stress via induction of CYP2E1 and the
hepatic accumulation of iron.
Thus, both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation in > 50% of patients probably due to suppression
of the liver-secreted systemic iron hormone hepcidin.
A better understanding of hepcidin regulation could help in
developing novel therapeutic approaches to treat the chronic
disease in the future.
For now, it can be generally concluded that HCV-infected
patients should abstain from alcohol and alcoholics should
be encouraged to participate in detoxification programs.
PMID: 19630099
Who loves ya.
Tom
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:52 am |
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On Jul 28, 6:23 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
The murderous god, who committed mass murder...? <<
Using logic it tells you .. ?
If YOUR "murderous god" existed .. you and your ilk would
be .. longgggggg .. fkggggggg .. dead ..
Wouldn't ya .. atheist ..
But .. noooooo ..
This says fifty percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have
100
times more chance of dying from iron give or take a couple of losers.
Alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C:
A frequently underestimated combination.
World J Gastroenterol. 2009 Jul 28;15(2:3462-71.
Mueller S, Millonig G, Seitz HK.
Department of Medicine and Center for Alcohol Research,
Liver Disease and Nutrition, Salem Medical Center,
University of Heidelberg, Zeppelinstrasse 11-33,
69121 Heidelberg, Germany.
sebastian.muel...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de.
Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) and hepatitis C virus
(HCV) infection represent, either alone or in combination,
more than two thirds of all patients with liver disease
in the Western world.
This review discusses the epidemiology and combined
impact of ALD and HCV on the progression of liver disease.
ALD and HCV affect the progression of liver disease to liver
cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in a synergistic
manner.
Thus, the risk for HCC increases five times with a daily
alcohol consumption of 80 g; in the presence of HCV it is
increased 20-fold, and a combination of both risk factors
leads to a more than 100-fold risk for HCC development.
Alcohol consumption also decreases the response to interferon
treatment which is probably due to a lack of compliance than a
direct effect on HCV replication.
Several molecular mechanisms are discussed that could explain
the synergistic interaction of alcohol and HCV on disease
progression.
They include modulation of the immune response and apoptosis,
increased oxidative stress via induction of CYP2E1 and the
hepatic accumulation of iron.
Thus, both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation in > 50% of patients probably due to suppression
of the liver-secreted systemic iron hormone hepcidin.
A better understanding of hepcidin regulation could help in
developing novel therapeutic approaches to treat the chronic
disease in the future.
For now, it can be generally concluded that HCV-infected
patients should abstain from alcohol and alcoholics should
be encouraged to participate in detoxification programs.
PMID: 19630099
Who loves ya.
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Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:14 am |
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On Jul 28, 6:04 pm, h...@yahoo.com wrote:
It figures he'd be stupid enough to believe in a god. <<
He is no less stupid than you ..
You both do and say the same stupid sht ..
You act like an atheist little btch .. or a lefthandedloon ..
Some type of predatory freak ..
So does he ..
This says fifty percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have
100 times more chance of dying from iron give or take a couple of
losers.
Alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C:
A frequently underestimated combination.
World J Gastroenterol. 2009 Jul 28;15(2:3462-71.
Mueller S, Millonig G, Seitz HK.
Department of Medicine and Center for Alcohol Research,
Liver Disease and Nutrition, Salem Medical Center,
University of Heidelberg, Zeppelinstrasse 11-33,
69121 Heidelberg, Germany.
sebastian.muel...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de.
Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) and hepatitis C virus
(HCV) infection represent, either alone or in combination,
more than two thirds of all patients with liver disease
in the Western world.
This review discusses the epidemiology and combined
impact of ALD and HCV on the progression of liver disease.
ALD and HCV affect the progression of liver disease to liver
cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in a synergistic
manner.
Thus, the risk for HCC increases five times with a daily
alcohol consumption of 80 g; in the presence of HCV it is
increased 20-fold, and a combination of both risk factors
leads to a more than 100-fold risk for HCC development.
Alcohol consumption also decreases the response to interferon
treatment which is probably due to a lack of compliance than a
direct effect on HCV replication.
Several molecular mechanisms are discussed that could explain
the synergistic interaction of alcohol and HCV on disease
progression.
They include modulation of the immune response and apoptosis,
increased oxidative stress via induction of CYP2E1 and the
hepatic accumulation of iron.
Thus, both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation in > 50% of patients probably due to suppression
of the liver-secreted systemic iron hormone hepcidin.
A better understanding of hepcidin regulation could help in
developing novel therapeutic approaches to treat the chronic
disease in the future.
For now, it can be generally concluded that HCV-infected
patients should abstain from alcohol and alcoholics should
be encouraged to participate in detoxification programs.
PMID: 19630099
Who loves ya.
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Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/634q5a
Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:40 am |
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On Jul 28, 6:14 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@rock.com> wrote: fifty
percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have 100 times more
chance of dying from iron <<
The detractors on this thread / atheists / homosexuals / math whizzes
seem to think the reference of "fifty percent of those who drink and
have hepatitis have
100 times more chance of dying from iron" .. is "wrong" .. and upon
reflection I have to agree.
What it actually says is 100% those drunken hepatitis carriers are 100
times more likely to get liver cancer.
Liver cancer is a death sentence.
I believe that may be more succinct ..
You atheists / math whizzes / homosexuals .. let me know if you
disagree .. still ..
This says 100 percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have 100
times
more chance of dying from liver cancer caused by the increased
iron .. give
or take a couple of losers.
Alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C:
A frequently underestimated combination.
World J Gastroenterol. 2009 Jul 28;15(2:3462-71.
Mueller S, Millonig G, Seitz HK.
Department of Medicine and Center for Alcohol Research,
Liver Disease and Nutrition, Salem Medical Center,
University of Heidelberg, Zeppelinstrasse 11-33,
69121 Heidelberg, Germany.
sebastian.muel...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de.
Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) and hepatitis C virus
(HCV) infection represent, either alone or in combination,
more than two thirds of all patients with liver disease
in the Western world.
This review discusses the epidemiology and combined
impact of ALD and HCV on the progression of liver disease.
ALD and HCV affect the progression of liver disease to liver
cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in a synergistic
manner.
Thus, the risk for HCC increases five times with a daily
alcohol consumption of 80 g; in the presence of HCV it is
increased 20-fold, and a combination of both risk factors
leads to a more than 100-fold risk for HCC development.
Alcohol consumption also decreases the response to interferon
treatment which is probably due to a lack of compliance than a
direct effect on HCV replication.
Several molecular mechanisms are discussed that could explain
the synergistic interaction of alcohol and HCV on disease
progression.
They include modulation of the immune response and apoptosis,
increased oxidative stress via induction of CYP2E1 and the
hepatic accumulation of iron.
Thus, both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation in > 50% of patients probably due to suppression
of the liver-secreted systemic iron hormone hepcidin.
A better understanding of hepcidin regulation could help in
developing novel therapeutic approaches to treat the chronic
disease in the future.
For now, it can be generally concluded that HCV-infected
patients should abstain from alcohol and alcoholics should
be encouraged to participate in detoxification programs.
PMID: 19630099
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/634q5a
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Quote: On Jul 28, 6:04 pm, h...@yahoo.com wrote:
It figures he'd be stupid enough to believe in a god.
He is no less stupid than you ..
You both do and say the same stupid sht ..
You act like an atheist little btch .. or a lefthandedloon ..
Some type of predatory freak ..
So does he ..
This says fifty percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have
100 times more chance of dying from iron give or take a couple of
losers.
Alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C:
A frequently underestimated combination.
World J Gastroenterol. 2009 Jul 28;15(2 :3462-71.
Mueller S, Millonig G, Seitz HK.
Department of Medicine and Center for Alcohol Research,
Liver Disease and Nutrition, Salem Medical Center,
University of Heidelberg, Zeppelinstrasse 11-33,
69121 Heidelberg, Germany.
sebastian.muel...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de.
Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) and hepatitis C virus
(HCV) infection represent, either alone or in combination,
more than two thirds of all patients with liver disease
in the Western world.
This review discusses the epidemiology and combined
impact of ALD and HCV on the progression of liver disease.
ALD and HCV affect the progression of liver disease to liver
cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in a synergistic
manner.
Thus, the risk for HCC increases five times with a daily
alcohol consumption of 80 g; in the presence of HCV it is
increased 20-fold, and a combination of both risk factors
leads to a more than 100-fold risk for HCC development.
Alcohol consumption also decreases the response to interferon
treatment which is probably due to a lack of compliance than a
direct effect on HCV replication.
Several molecular mechanisms are discussed that could explain
the synergistic interaction of alcohol and HCV on disease
progression.
They include modulation of the immune response and apoptosis,
increased oxidative stress via induction of CYP2E1 and the
hepatic accumulation of iron.
Thus, both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation in > 50% of patients probably due to suppression
of the liver-secreted systemic iron hormone hepcidin.
A better understanding of hepcidin regulation could help in
developing novel therapeutic approaches to treat the chronic
disease in the future.
For now, it can be generally concluded that HCV-infected
patients should abstain from alcohol and alcoholics should
be encouraged to participate in detoxification programs.
PMID: 19630099
Who loves ya.
Tom
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Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
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You're useless. Welcome to my filter.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:19:15 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice
<ironjustice@rock.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 28, 3:06 pm, h...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that you can't read worth a damn
It's been pointed out .. goofs .. don't post here ..
Write IT FKG DOWN ..
This says fifty percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have
100
times more chance of dying from iron give or take a couple of losers.
Alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C:
A frequently underestimated combination.
World J Gastroenterol. 2009 Jul 28;15(2 :3462-71.
Mueller S, Millonig G, Seitz HK.
Department of Medicine and Center for Alcohol Research,
Liver Disease and Nutrition, Salem Medical Center,
University of Heidelberg, Zeppelinstrasse 11-33,
69121 Heidelberg, Germany.
sebastian.muel...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de.
Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) and hepatitis C virus
(HCV) infection represent, either alone or in combination,
more than two thirds of all patients with liver disease
in the Western world.
This review discusses the epidemiology and combined
impact of ALD and HCV on the progression of liver disease.
ALD and HCV affect the progression of liver disease to liver
cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in a synergistic
manner.
Thus, the risk for HCC increases five times with a daily
alcohol consumption of 80 g; in the presence of HCV it is
increased 20-fold, and a combination of both risk factors
leads to a more than 100-fold risk for HCC development.
Alcohol consumption also decreases the response to interferon
treatment which is probably due to a lack of compliance than a
direct effect on HCV replication.
Several molecular mechanisms are discussed that could explain
the synergistic interaction of alcohol and HCV on disease
progression.
They include modulation of the immune response and apoptosis,
increased oxidative stress via induction of CYP2E1 and the
hepatic accumulation of iron.
Thus, both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation in > 50% of patients probably due to suppression
of the liver-secreted systemic iron hormone hepcidin.
A better understanding of hepcidin regulation could help in
developing novel therapeutic approaches to treat the chronic
disease in the future.
For now, it can be generally concluded that HCV-infected
patients should abstain from alcohol and alcoholics should
be encouraged to participate in detoxification programs.
PMID: 19630099
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/634q5a
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:23:29 +0100, Happy Oyster
<happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:19:15 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice <ironjustice@rock.com
wrote:
On Jul 28, 3:06 pm, h...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that you can't read worth a damn
It's been pointed out .. goofs .. don't post here ..
Write IT FKG DOWN ..
Bad influence...
The murderous god, who committed mass murder...?
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:19:15 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice <ironjustice@rock.com>
wrote:
Quote: On Jul 28, 3:06 pm, h...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that you can't read worth a damn
It's been pointed out .. goofs .. don't post here ..
Write IT FKG DOWN ..
Bad influence...
The murderous god, who committed mass murder...?
Gott demoliert Jericho und * "Sodann sprach er noch: 'Bauverbot,
tötet die Einwohner * sonst schlag ich eure Söhne tot.'
(frei nach Josua, Kap. 6) * So zogen sie von Ort zu Ort
http://www.reimbibel.de * und übten sich in Massenmord."
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"ironjustice" <ironjustice@rock.com> wrote in message
news:0e33ab0f-9f39-46a9-aad2-63701821d761@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 6:14 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@rock.com> wrote: fifty
percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have 100 times more
chance of dying from iron <<
The detractors on this thread / atheists / homosexuals / math whizzes
seem to think the reference of "fifty percent of those who drink and
have hepatitis have
100 times more chance of dying from iron" .. is "wrong" .. and upon
reflection I have to agree.
What it actually says is 100% those drunken hepatitis carriers are 100
times more likely to get liver cancer.
Liver cancer is a death sentence.
I believe that may be more succinct ..
You atheists / math whizzes / homosexuals .. let me know if you
disagree .. still ..
I agree, if you will allow that they're saying the *risk* of contracting HCC
is 100 times greater.
Waterspider
(the atheist bitch who no longer has hep c, but still finds ash-c
interesting, and believes that one's sexuality is not relevant to this
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice <ironjustice@rock.com>
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Quote: On Jul 28, 6:23 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
The murderous god, who committed mass murder...?
Using logic it tells you .. ?
If YOUR "murderous god" existed .. you and your ilk would
be .. longgggggg .. fkggggggg .. dead ..
Wouldn't ya .. atheist ..
But .. noooooo ..
Which tells us that the god does not exist BUT those who claim the existence of
that god AND THEIR FOLLOWERS, who are THE REAL MURDERERS ***IN THE NAME OF THEIR
GOD***.
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:04:06 -0500, hepc@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:23:29 +0100, Happy Oyster
happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:19:15 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice <ironjustice@rock.com
wrote:
On Jul 28, 3:06 pm, h...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that you can't read worth a damn
It's been pointed out .. goofs .. don't post here ..
Write IT FKG DOWN ..
Bad influence...
The murderous god, who committed mass murder...?
It figures he'd be stupid enough to believe in a god.
Exactly.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice <ironjustice@rock.com>
wrote:
Quote: On Jul 28, 6:23 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
The murderous god, who committed mass murder...?
Using logic it tells you .. ?
If YOUR "murderous god" existed .. you and your ilk would
be .. longgggggg .. fkggggggg .. dead ..
Wouldn't ya .. atheist ..
But .. noooooo ..
Which tells us that the god does not exist BUT those who claim the existence of
that god AND THEIR FOLLOWERS, who are THE REAL MURDERERS ***IN THE NAME OF THEIR
GOD***.
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:40:35 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice <ironjustice@rock.com>
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Quote: Who loves ya.
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Now compare:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice <ironjustice@rock.com>
wrote:
Quote: On Jul 28, 6:23 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
The murderous god, who committed mass murder...?
Using logic it tells you .. ?
If YOUR "murderous god" existed .. you and your ilk would
be .. longgggggg .. fkggggggg .. dead ..
Wouldn't ya .. atheist ..
But .. noooooo ..
Which tells us that the god does not exist BUT those who claim the existence of
that god AND THEIR FOLLOWERS, who are THE REAL MURDERERS ***IN THE NAME OF THEIR
GOD***.
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On Jul 28, 5:19 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@rock.com> wrote:
both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation <<
Iron as a co-morbid factor in nonhemochromatotic liver disease
Alcohol, Volume 30, Issue 2, June 2003, Pages 137-144
Herbert L. Bonkovsky, Richard W. Lambrecht, Ying Shan
Abstract
Heavy iron overload, in both primary and secondary hemochromatosis,
may cause fibrosis of parenchymal organs, especially the liver.
The toxicity of iron is believed to involve increased oxidative
stress, with iron-catalyzed production of reactive oxygen species
causing oxidative damage to lipids, proteins, and nucleic acids.
Lesser degrees of hepatic iron deposition are also associated with,
and seem to be risk factors for, certain nonhemochromatotic liver
diseases.
Porphyria cutanea tarda is associated with hepatic iron overload
and responds to iron-reduction therapy.
Results of recent studies have demonstrated high prevalences
(about 60%–80%) of HFE gene mutations in patients with porphyria
cutanea tarda.
Chronic hepatitis C is another risk factor for porphyria cutanea
tarda.
Other recent evidence indicates that the prevalence of HFE gene
mutations is increased in chronic viral hepatitis and that patients
with chronic hepatitis C harboring especially the C282Y mutation
are more likely to suffer from advanced hepatic fibrosis or
cirrhosis and to do so at younger ages.
A role for modest iron overload in increasing severity of
alcohol-induced liver disease has been well established from
results of experimental studies.
However, it is currently unresolved whether mild-to-moderate
hepatic iron deposition or heterozygosity for the C282Y mutation
plays a role in human alcoholic liver disease or in nonalcoholic
fatty liver disease or nonalcoholic steatohepatitis.
There is persuasive evidence that iron reduction decreases insulin
resistance, and it likely also decreases oxidative stress, two key
pathogenic features of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease/nonalcoholic
steatohepatitis.
Iron loading has also been described after portosystemic shunts
and in end-stage liver disease.
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Quote: On Jul 28, 3:06 pm, h...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that you can't read worth a damn
It's been pointed out .. goofs .. don't post here ..
Write IT FKG DOWN ..
This says fifty percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have
100
times more chance of dying from iron give or take a couple of losers.
Alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C:
A frequently underestimated combination.
World J Gastroenterol. 2009 Jul 28;15(2 :3462-71.
Mueller S, Millonig G, Seitz HK.
Department of Medicine and Center for Alcohol Research,
Liver Disease and Nutrition, Salem Medical Center,
University of Heidelberg, Zeppelinstrasse 11-33,
69121 Heidelberg, Germany.
sebastian.muel...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de.
Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) and hepatitis C virus
(HCV) infection represent, either alone or in combination,
more than two thirds of all patients with liver disease
in the Western world.
This review discusses the epidemiology and combined
impact of ALD and HCV on the progression of liver disease.
ALD and HCV affect the progression of liver disease to liver
cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in a synergistic
manner.
Thus, the risk for HCC increases five times with a daily
alcohol consumption of 80 g; in the presence of HCV it is
increased 20-fold, and a combination of both risk factors
leads to a more than 100-fold risk for HCC development.
Alcohol consumption also decreases the response to interferon
treatment which is probably due to a lack of compliance than a
direct effect on HCV replication.
Several molecular mechanisms are discussed that could explain
the synergistic interaction of alcohol and HCV on disease
progression.
They include modulation of the immune response and apoptosis,
increased oxidative stress via induction of CYP2E1 and the
hepatic accumulation of iron.
Thus, both HCV and alcohol independently cause hepatic iron
accumulation in > 50% of patients probably due to suppression
of the liver-secreted systemic iron hormone hepcidin.
A better understanding of hepcidin regulation could help in
developing novel therapeutic approaches to treat the chronic
disease in the future.
For now, it can be generally concluded that HCV-infected
patients should abstain from alcohol and alcoholics should
be encouraged to participate in detoxification programs.
PMID: 19630099
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On Jul 28, 10:51 pm, "Waterspider" <nos...@all.com> wrote:
Quote: "ironjustice" <ironjust...@rock.com> wrote in message
news:0e33ab0f-9f39-46a9-aad2-63701821d761@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 6:14 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@rock.com> wrote: fifty
percent of those who drink and have hepatitis have 100 times more
chance of dying from iron
The detractors on this thread / atheists / homosexuals / math whizzes
seem to think the reference of "fifty percent of those who drink and
have hepatitis have
100 times more chance of dying from iron" .. is "wrong" .. and upon
reflection I have to agree.
What it actually says is 100% those drunken hepatitis carriers are 100
times more likely to getliver cancer.Liver canceris a death sentence.
I believe that may be more succinct ..
You atheists / math whizzes / homosexuals .. let me know if you
disagree .. still ..
I agree, if you will allow that they're saying the *risk* of contracting HCC
is 100 times greater.
Waterspider
(the atheist bitch who no longer has hep c, but still finds ash-c
interesting, and believes that one's sexuality is not relevant to this
thread)
Curing cancer within five years.
All great discoveries are usually rewarded with the ultimate prize the
Nobel.
I am suggesting that another prize be awarded for curing cancer or any
other major decease to save the lives of thousands of children and
even more adults who have their lives cut short every year.
It would require a web based organization to advertise for and set up
a data base of volunteers. The ideal organization would be the UN but
due to the nature of the prized that won’t happen.
Five of these volunteers would be awarded as companions to the winner
for a specified length of time.
The volunteers would be beautiful young women willing to devote part
of their lives to this individual for having put an end to terrible
waste of human lives.
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