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UKDutyPaid
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:28 pm
Guest
Hi there,

I have won £100 of Argos vouchers and was looking at what I could
trade them in for. I came across the ForeRunner 205
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/0704825.htm which
looks pretty awesome as it integrates GPS tracking and HRM features.
I've not seen this before and was pretty inspired.

I've always liked the idea of measureing my level of exertion,
distance, time, elevation and speed on an outing, whether running,
hiking, climbing, or biking but never wanted to spend the cash (that I
don't have).

Then I started to think, I already have a Garmin GPS 12
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=87#gps12, it's pretty basic. I
borrowed it from my brother a year or so ago, I only wanted it for
GeoCaching, and I've never used it. I've exhausted Google (or I'm
searching for the wrong things) and thought someone here might know
what the 12 can do.

I've got a copy of the spec sheet and it mentions 'TrackBack' and
'MOB' but someone else said the TrackBack didn't work properly on the
12 and MOB is 'Man Over Board' so doesn't apply to me...

Does anybody still use one of these GPS's? If so it is possible to
record weypoints at a specific interval on a trip without the need to
carry a laptop computer running some sort of recording software on my
back?

If so, I can buy a Polar FS1 for the HRM bit and save the £100 of
vouchers for some other gadget...

I will be fiddling about with this tonight to see what it can do. I've
downloaded GSAK (http://www.gsak.net/) and EasyGPS (http://
www.easygps.com/default.asp) and will have a fiddle with loading way
points directly from my PC tonight, Ido a lot of hiking and will also
be using it to position in the case of emergency.

I've also downloaded the latest firmware from Garmin, and though it
does not appear to be experiencing any problems, I will be updating it
tonight to version 4.60, there was a magnetic variation correction
released in version 4.58.

Thanks for readong, I hope someone out there can help!

Nick
UKDutyPaid
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:17 pm
Guest
On Jul 21, 4:28 pm, UKDutyPaid <ukdutyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi there,

I have won £100 of Argos vouchers and was looking at what I could
trade them in for. I came across the ForeRunner 205http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/0704825.htmwhich
looks pretty awesome as it integrates GPS tracking and HRM features.
I've not seen this before and was pretty inspired.

I've always liked the idea of measureing my level of exertion,
distance, time, elevation and speed on an outing, whether running,
hiking, climbing, or biking but never wanted to spend the cash (that I
don't have).

Then I started to think, I already have a Garmin GPS 12https://buy.garmin..com/shop/shop.do?pID=87#gps12, it's pretty basic. I
borrowed it from my brother a year or so ago, I only wanted it for
GeoCaching, and I've never used it. I've exhausted Google (or I'm
searching for the wrong things) and thought someone here might know
what the 12 can do.

I've got a copy of the spec sheet and it mentions 'TrackBack' and
'MOB' but someone else said the TrackBack didn't work properly on the
12 and MOB is 'Man Over Board' so doesn't apply to me...

Does anybody still use one of these GPS's? If so it is possible to
record weypoints at a specific interval on a trip without the need to
carry a laptop computer running some sort of recording software on my
back?

If so, I can buy a Polar FS1 for the HRM bit and save the £100 of
vouchers for some other gadget...

I will be fiddling about with this tonight to see what it can do. I've
downloaded GSAK (http://www.gsak.net/) and EasyGPS (http://www.easygps.com/default.asp) and will have a fiddle with loading way
points directly from my PC tonight, Ido a lot of hiking and will also
be using it to position in the case of emergency.

I've also downloaded the latest firmware from Garmin, and though it
does not appear to be experiencing any problems, I will be updating it
tonight to version 4.60, there was a magnetic variation correction
released in version 4.58.

Thanks for readong, I hope someone out there can help!

Nick

I've just discovered that the ForeRunner 205 does not actually include
an HRM so looks like I'll be getting something else if the GPS 12
can't record routes anyway...
Craig Wallace
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:50 pm
Guest
On 21/07/2009 16:28, UKDutyPaid wrote:
Quote:
Hi there,

I have won £100 of Argos vouchers and was looking at what I could
trade them in for. I came across the ForeRunner 205
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/0704825.htm which
looks pretty awesome as it integrates GPS tracking and HRM features.
I've not seen this before and was pretty inspired.

I've always liked the idea of measureing my level of exertion,
distance, time, elevation and speed on an outing, whether running,
hiking, climbing, or biking but never wanted to spend the cash (that I
don't have).

Then I started to think, I already have a Garmin GPS 12
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=87#gps12, it's pretty basic. I
borrowed it from my brother a year or so ago, I only wanted it for
GeoCaching, and I've never used it. I've exhausted Google (or I'm
searching for the wrong things) and thought someone here might know
what the 12 can do.

I've got a copy of the spec sheet and it mentions 'TrackBack' and
'MOB' but someone else said the TrackBack didn't work properly on the
12 and MOB is 'Man Over Board' so doesn't apply to me...

Does anybody still use one of these GPS's? If so it is possible to
record weypoints at a specific interval on a trip without the need to
carry a laptop computer running some sort of recording software on my
back?

Don't confuse waypoints, routes, and tracks. In GPS terms, they are
different things:
Waypoints are what you manually mark on the GPS unit, by pressing a
button, or plot on your PC and transfer to the GPS.
A route is a series of waypoints, usually plotted in advance, before you
go and follow it.
Whereas a track (or track log) is automatically recorded by the GPS as
you are out and about, which seems to be what you are looking for.

I've never used the GPS 12, but checking the spec sheet it says "track
log 1024 points". So it should be able to record where you have been.
You might be able to set how often it records a point, ie every 10
seconds or every 20m etc. And you should be able to download this track
to your PC, using EasyGPS or GPSBabel or other software.

With most modern Garmins, the tracklog contains the position, timestamps
and elevation, which means you can also see your speed.
I'm not sure if the GPS 12 does this - it might not record time or
elevation - but you will still be able to see a map of where you've been.

--
Craig Wallace
http://craig.neogeo.org.uk
http://www.neogeo.org.uk
Reinhard Zwirner
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:05 pm
Guest
UKDutyPaid schrieb:
Quote:

....
Does anybody still use one of these GPS's? If so it is possible to
record weypoints at a specific interval on a trip without the need to
carry a laptop computer running some sort of recording software on my
back?

As to "trackpoints" (see Craig's posting) have a look at pages 39+40
in the manual:

<http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/GPS12_OwnersManual.pdf>

HTH

Reinhard
Roger Mills
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:30 am
Guest
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
UKDutyPaid <ukdutypaid@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

I've got a copy of the spec sheet and it mentions 'TrackBack' and
'MOB' but someone else said the TrackBack didn't work properly on the
12 and MOB is 'Man Over Board' so doesn't apply to me...


I've got a GPS12. Although I haven't used the Trackback function, I'd be
surprised if it didn't work. The idea is that it records the *actual* route
that you take, and then navigates you back along the same route. There are
options for when it records points - either automatically (presumably when
you change direction), or at regular time intervals. If using the latter, it
will assume that you moved in a straight line between two timed points - and
won't be able to re-create your path exactly if you moved in (say) a
zig-zag.

MOB is useful for a number of things - in addition to the obvious. In a
genuine man overboard case, you obviously need to be able to mark your
current position with the minimum of key presses, so that you can navigate
back to it. But you can equally easily use it to mark (say) the spot where
you parked you car at the start of a walk, so that you can find it again.
Obviously it can only hold *one* waypoint called MOB, so it over-writes the
previous one each time you create a new one. But it's still useful for
storing a temporary location.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
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Guest
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:54 pm
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:30:31 +0100, "Roger Mills"
<watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote:

Quote:
MOB is useful for a number of things - in addition to the obvious. In a
genuine man overboard case, you obviously need to be able to mark your
current position with the minimum of key presses, so that you can navigate
back to it. But you can equally easily use it to mark (say) the spot where
you parked you car at the start of a walk, so that you can find it again.
Obviously it can only hold *one* waypoint called MOB, so it over-writes the
previous one each time you create a new one. But it's still useful for
storing a temporary location.

Use it to mark any location you like, just rename it and it is good to
go.
Roger Mills
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:54 pm
Guest
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
abc@xyz.uk <abc@xyz.uk> wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:30:31 +0100, "Roger Mills"
watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote:

MOB is useful for a number of things - in addition to the obvious.
In a genuine man overboard case, you obviously need to be able to
mark your current position with the minimum of key presses, so that
you can navigate back to it. But you can equally easily use it to
mark (say) the spot where you parked you car at the start of a walk,
so that you can find it again. Obviously it can only hold *one*
waypoint called MOB, so it over-writes the previous one each time
you create a new one. But it's still useful for storing a temporary
location.

Use it to mark any location you like, just rename it and it is good to
go.

Indeed. Except that if you're going to rename it, you might as well give it
a 'proper' name from the start rather than use MOB. It takes less keystrokes
just to press 'Mark' and then create a name for it.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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UKDutyPaid
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:05 pm
Guest
On Jul 21, 10:30 pm, "Roger Mills" <watt.ty...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

UKDutyPaid <ukdutyp...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I've got a copy of the spec sheet and it mentions 'TrackBack' and
'MOB' but someone else said the TrackBack didn't work properly on the
12 and MOB is 'Man Over Board' so doesn't apply to me...

I've got a GPS12. Although I haven't used the Trackback function, I'd be
surprised if it didn't work. The idea is that it records the *actual* route
that you take, and then navigates you back along the same route. There are
options for when it records points - either automatically (presumably when
you change direction), or at regular time intervals. If using the latter, it
will assume that you moved in a straight line between two timed points - and
won't be able to re-create your path exactly if you moved in (say) a
zig-zag.

MOB is useful for a number of things - in addition to the obvious. In a
genuine man overboard case, you obviously need to be able to mark your
current position with the minimum of key presses, so that you can navigate
back to it. But you can equally easily use it to mark (say) the spot where
you parked you car at the start of a walk, so that you can find it again.
Obviously it can only hold *one* waypoint called MOB, so it over-writes the
previous one each time you create a new one. But it's still useful for
storing a temporary location.
--
Cheers,
Roger
______
Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!

Thank you, I think I'll be using the track back option instead of
buying one of those watches.

You don't happen to have a link to the full instructions anywhere, I'm
sure it's supposed to come with a CD-ROM?

Nick
UKDutyPaid
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:06 pm
Guest
On Jul 22, 4:35 pm, "Roger Mills" <watt.ty...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,





a...@xyz.uk <a...@xyz.uk>  wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:30:31 +0100, "Roger Mills"
watt.ty...@googlemail.com> wrote:

MOB is useful for a number of things - in addition to the obvious.
In a genuine man overboard case, you obviously need to be able to
mark your current position with the minimum of key presses, so that
you can navigate back to it. But you can equally easily use it to
mark (say) the spot where you parked you car at the start of a walk,
so that you can find it again. Obviously it can only hold *one*
waypoint called MOB, so it over-writes the previous one each time
you create a new one. But it's still useful for storing a temporary
location.

Use it to mark any location you like, just rename it and it is good to
go.

Indeed. Except that if you're going to rename it, you might as well give it
a 'proper' name from the start rather than use MOB. It takes less keystrokes
just to press 'Mark' and then create a name for it.
--
Cheers,
Roger
______
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Fair enough, I'll have a play about with it next time I'm out and
about Wink
The moderator
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:24 pm
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"UKDutyPaid" <ukdutypaid@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:79db49f2-bc0e-4619-80a0-16b24ba743d8@j32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 10:30 pm, "Roger Mills" <watt.ty...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

UKDutyPaid <ukdutyp...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've got a copy of the spec sheet and it mentions 'TrackBack' and
'MOB' but someone else said the TrackBack didn't work properly on the
12 and MOB is 'Man Over Board' so doesn't apply to me...

I've got a GPS12. Although I haven't used the Trackback function, I'd be
surprised if it didn't work. The idea is that it records the *actual*
route
that you take, and then navigates you back along the same route. There are
options for when it records points - either automatically (presumably when
you change direction), or at regular time intervals. If using the latter,
it
will assume that you moved in a straight line between two timed points -
and
won't be able to re-create your path exactly if you moved in (say) a
zig-zag.

MOB is useful for a number of things - in addition to the obvious. In a
genuine man overboard case, you obviously need to be able to mark your
current position with the minimum of key presses, so that you can navigate
back to it. But you can equally easily use it to mark (say) the spot where
you parked you car at the start of a walk, so that you can find it again.
Obviously it can only hold *one* waypoint called MOB, so it over-writes
the
previous one each time you create a new one. But it's still useful for
storing a temporary location.
--
Cheers,
Roger
______
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monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!

Thank you, I think I'll be using the track back option instead of
buying one of those watches.

You don't happen to have a link to the full instructions anywhere, I'm
sure it's supposed to come with a CD-ROM?

Nick
****************************************************

The GPS-12 did not come with a CD-ROM, but somebody posted a link in this
thread to the PDF users manual on Garmin.com.
Roger Mills
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:30 pm
Guest
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
UKDutyPaid <ukdutypaid@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

You don't happen to have a link to the full instructions anywhere, I'm
sure it's supposed to come with a CD-ROM?

Nick

Try http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/GPS12_OwnersManual.pdf

The TracBack bit starts at P24 of the manual (P28 of the PDF file).

--
Cheers,
Roger
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Peter Bennett
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:29 am
Guest
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:05:53 -0700 (PDT), UKDutyPaid
<ukdutypaid@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Jul 21, 10:30 pm, "Roger Mills" <watt.ty...@googlemail.com> wrote:

You don't happen to have a link to the full instructions anywhere, I'm
sure it's supposed to come with a CD-ROM?

Nick

Go to http:www.garmin.com, and search for "GPS-12" - that should get
you to https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=87 , where there is a
link to downloadable manuals.

I think the GPS 12 was discontinued long before manufacturers
distributed manuals on CD - mine came with a real hard-copy manual.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
UKDutyPaid
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:45 pm
Guest
On Jul 24, 12:29 am, Peter Bennett <pete...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:05:53 -0700 (PDT), UKDutyPaid

ukdutyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 21, 10:30 pm, "Roger Mills" <watt.ty...@googlemail.com> wrote:
You don't happen to have a link to the full instructions anywhere, I'm
sure it's supposed to come with a CD-ROM?

Nick

Go to http:www.garmin.com, and search for "GPS-12" - that should get
you tohttps://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=87, where there is a
link to downloadable manuals.

I think the GPS 12 was discontinued long before manufacturers
distributed manuals on CD - mine came with a real hard-copy manual.

--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI  
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca  
GPS and NMEA info:http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron:http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

Thank you! for the life of me I didn't see those links on the right,
I've been to that site ten times!

Thank you very much ;-)

Nick
Alan White
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:20 pm
Guest
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:45:25 -0700 (PDT), UKDutyPaid
<ukdutypaid@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Thank you! for the life of me I didn't see those links on the right,
I've been to that site ten times!

The search brings up a page with 1-10 of 13 results.

The first has a link to https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=87

On the RHS there are 'quick links'. Select 'Manuals'.

This takes you to a page with two manuals.

Download No.2 which takes you to:-
http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/GPS12_OwnersManual.pdf
....but I've done it for you Smile
--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather
Reinhard Zwirner
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:54 am
Guest
Alan White schrieb:
Quote:

....
Download No.2 which takes you to:-
http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/GPS12_OwnersManual.pdf
...but I've done it for you Smile

I already did that on Thursday (July 21st) ...

Wondering

Reinhard
 
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