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| Immortalist |
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1. the good: Why do we do evil? / Socrates
2. Being and non-being: What is real? / Parmenides of Elea
3. Change, conflict and harmony: How does the cosmos work? /
Heraclitus of Ephesus
4. The good and the just: What is the source of truth? / Plato
5. Life in accordance with nature: Can it make us happy? / Epictetus
of Hierapolis
6. Knowledge and belief: Can we know anything? / Sextus Empiricus
7. God and man: What is evil? / St. Augustine
8. God's necessity: Could God not exist? / St. Anselm
9. Knowledge, faith and the soul: Is the world good? / St. Thomas
Aquinas
10. What there is: Do ideas exist? / William of Ockham
11. God, the world and our minds: How can we achieve certainty? / Rene
Descartes
12. The nature of God: Do we have free will? / Benedict Spinoza
13. God and the world: Why is there something rather than nothing? /
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
14. Faith: Why should we believe? / Blaise Pascal
15. Reason, freedom and equality: What did God endow us with? / John
Locke
16. Perception and causality: What can we know? / David Hume
17. Reason, necessity and morality: How is knowledge possible? /
Immanuel Kant
18. Hiostory and the absolute: Progress without good and evil? / Georg
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
19. World, will and sex: Should we commit suicide? / Arthur
Schopenhauer
20. God and faith: Do we need the church? / Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
21. The will to power: Is there good and evil? / Friedrich Nietzsche
22. Consciousness and evolution: What is the human spirit? / Henri
Bergson
23. The foundations of certainty: What can we know and how can we know
it? / Edmund Husserl.
Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?:
23 Questions from Great Philosophers
by Leszek Kolakowski
http://www.amazon.com/There-Something-Rather-Than-Nothing/dp/0465004997/ |
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| Sean O'Reilly Report |
| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:56 am |
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"Immortalist" <reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote: 1. the good: Why do we do evil? / Socrates
2. Being and non-being: What is real? / Parmenides of Elea
3. Change, conflict and harmony: How does the cosmos work? /
Heraclitus of Ephesus
4. The good and the just: What is the source of truth? / Plato
5. Life in accordance with nature: Can it make us happy? / Epictetus
of Hierapolis
6. Knowledge and belief: Can we know anything? / Sextus Empiricus
7. God and man: What is evil? / St. Augustine
8. God's necessity: Could God not exist? / St. Anselm
9. Knowledge, faith and the soul: Is the world good? / St. Thomas
Aquinas
10. What there is: Do ideas exist? / William of Ockham
11. God, the world and our minds: How can we achieve certainty? / Rene
Descartes
12. The nature of God: Do we have free will? / Benedict Spinoza
13. God and the world: Why is there something rather than nothing? /
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
14. Faith: Why should we believe? / Blaise Pascal
15. Reason, freedom and equality: What did God endow us with? / John
Locke
16. Perception and causality: What can we know? / David Hume
17. Reason, necessity and morality: How is knowledge possible? /
Immanuel Kant
18. Hiostory and the absolute: Progress without good and evil? / Georg
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
19. World, will and sex: Should we commit suicide? / Arthur
Schopenhauer
20. God and faith: Do we need the church? / Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
21. The will to power: Is there good and evil? / Friedrich Nietzsche
22. Consciousness and evolution: What is the human spirit? / Henri
Bergson
23. The foundations of certainty: What can we know and how can we know
it? / Edmund Husserl.
Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?:
23 Questions from Great Philosophers
by Leszek Kolakowski
http://www.amazon.com/There-Something-Rather-Than-Nothing/dp/0465004997/
What is the answer to these 23 Questions Immortalist ... or do I need to
read Leszek to find out?
One would think the Philosophers could have come up with a better run of
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:07 am |
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:08:13 -0800 (PST), Immortalist <reanimater_2000@yahoo.com>
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Quote: 1. the good: Why do we do evil? / Socrates
1. Idiosyncratic intent.
2. We are animals.
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2. Being and non-being: What is real? / Parmenides of Elea
Nothing
3. Change, conflict and harmony: How does the cosmos work? /
Heraclitus of Ephesus
Serendipitously
4. The good and the just: What is the source of truth? / Plato
Illusion and brain based credibility.
5. Life in accordance with nature: Can it make us happy? / Epictetus
of Hierapolis
Such is life. Are we happy?
6. Knowledge and belief: Can we know anything? / Sextus Empiricus
Virtually must be good enough.
7. God and man: What is evil? / St. Augustine
A well practiced story.
8. God's necessity: Could God not exist? / St. Anselm
Not in the common human brain based virtual reality.
9. Knowledge, faith and the soul: Is the world good? / St. Thomas
Aquinas
More well practiced stories.
10. What there is: Do ideas exist? / William of Ockham
Ideas do exist, but the map is not the territory.
11. God, the world and our minds: How can we achieve certainty? / Rene
Descartes
Practice those stories well.
12. The nature of God: Do we have free will? / Benedict Spinoza
Virtually.
13. God and the world: Why is there something rather than nothing? /
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Unknown.
14. Faith: Why should we believe? / Blaise Pascal
That's the way our brain functions.
15. Reason, freedom and equality: What did God endow us with? / John
Locke
A human condition and situation that is criminal at best.
16. Perception and causality: What can we know? / David Hume
Qualia and story, whatever we practice.
17. Reason, necessity and morality: How is knowledge possible? /
Immanuel Kant
Practice those stories.
18. Hiostory and the absolute: Progress without good and evil? / Georg
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
But we need and practice our stories.
19. World, will and sex: Should we commit suicide? / Arthur
Schopenhauer
Probably not, makes no difference.
20. God and faith: Do we need the church? / Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
Social structures emerge.
21. The will to power: Is there good and evil? / Friedrich Nietzsche
Hubris has its survival value.
22. Consciousness and evolution: What is the human spirit? / Henri
Bergson
Good folk lore stories.
23. The foundations of certainty: What can we know and how can we know
it? / Edmund Husserl.
Anything, consult the credibility module in our brain.
Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?:
23 Questions from Great Philosophers
by Leszek Kolakowski
http://www.amazon.com/There-Something-Rather-Than-Nothing/dp/0465004997/
Good list. Thanks Mort! |
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| Reddragonf66 |
| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:42 am |
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On 8 nov, 02:07, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:08:13 -0800 (PST), Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com
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1. the good: Why do we do evil? / Socrates
1. Idiosyncratic intent.
2. We are animals.
2. Being and non-being: What is real? / Parmenides of Elea
Nothing
3. Change, conflict and harmony: How does the cosmos work? /
Heraclitus of Ephesus
Serendipitously
4. The good and the just: What is the source of truth? / Plato
Illusion and brain based credibility.
5. Life in accordance with nature: Can it make us happy? / Epictetus
of Hierapolis
Such is life. Are we happy?
6. Knowledge and belief: Can we know anything? / Sextus Empiricus
Virtually must be good enough.
7. God and man: What is evil? / St. Augustine
A well practiced story.
8. God's necessity: Could God not exist? / St. Anselm
Not in the common human brain based virtual reality.
9. Knowledge, faith and the soul: Is the world good? / St. Thomas
Aquinas
More well practiced stories.
10. What there is: Do ideas exist? / William of Ockham
Ideas do exist, but the map is not the territory.
11. God, the world and our minds: How can we achieve certainty? / Rene
Descartes
Practice those stories well.
12. The nature of God: Do we have free will? / Benedict Spinoza
Virtually.
13. God and the world: Why is there something rather than nothing? /
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Unknown.
14. Faith: Why should we believe? / Blaise Pascal
That's the way our brain functions.
15. Reason, freedom and equality: What did God endow us with? / John
Locke
A human condition and situation that is criminal at best.
16. Perception and causality: What can we know? / David Hume
Qualia and story, whatever we practice.
17. Reason, necessity and morality: How is knowledge possible? /
Immanuel Kant
Practice those stories.
18. Hiostory and the absolute: Progress without good and evil? / Georg
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
But we need and practice our stories.
19. World, will and sex: Should we commit suicide? / Arthur
Schopenhauer
Probably not, makes no difference.
20. God and faith: Do we need the church? / Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
Social structures emerge.
21. The will to power: Is there good and evil? / Friedrich Nietzsche
Hubris has its survival value.
22. Consciousness and evolution: What is the human spirit? / Henri
Bergson
Good folk lore stories.
23. The foundations of certainty: What can we know and how can we know
it? / Edmund Husserl.
Anything, consult the credibility module in our brain.
Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?:
23 Questions from Great Philosophers
by Leszek Kolakowski
http://www.amazon.com/There-Something-Rather-Than-Nothing/dp/0465004997/
Good list. Thanks Mort!
your questions are boring and depressing ggg get a live
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=ClbEbSVszYM&feature=related |
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| Reddragonf66 |
| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:23 am |
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On 8 nov, 07:42, Reddragonf66 <mark...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On 8 nov, 02:07, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:08:13 -0800 (PST), Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com
wrote:
1. the good: Why do we do evil? / Socrates
1. Idiosyncratic intent.
2. We are animals.
2. Being and non-being: What is real? / Parmenides of Elea
Nothing
3. Change, conflict and harmony: How does the cosmos work? /
Heraclitus of Ephesus
Serendipitously
4. The good and the just: What is the source of truth? / Plato
Illusion and brain based credibility.
5. Life in accordance with nature: Can it make us happy? / Epictetus
of Hierapolis
Such is life. Are we happy?
6. Knowledge and belief: Can we know anything? / Sextus Empiricus
Virtually must be good enough.
7. God and man: What is evil? / St. Augustine
A well practiced story.
8. God's necessity: Could God not exist? / St. Anselm
Not in the common human brain based virtual reality.
9. Knowledge, faith and the soul: Is the world good? / St. Thomas
Aquinas
More well practiced stories.
10. What there is: Do ideas exist? / William of Ockham
Ideas do exist, but the map is not the territory.
11. God, the world and our minds: How can we achieve certainty? / Rene
Descartes
Practice those stories well.
12. The nature of God: Do we have free will? / Benedict Spinoza
Virtually.
13. God and the world: Why is there something rather than nothing? /
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Unknown.
14. Faith: Why should we believe? / Blaise Pascal
That's the way our brain functions.
15. Reason, freedom and equality: What did God endow us with? / John
Locke
A human condition and situation that is criminal at best.
16. Perception and causality: What can we know? / David Hume
Qualia and story, whatever we practice.
17. Reason, necessity and morality: How is knowledge possible? /
Immanuel Kant
Practice those stories.
18. Hiostory and the absolute: Progress without good and evil? / Georg
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
But we need and practice our stories.
19. World, will and sex: Should we commit suicide? / Arthur
Schopenhauer
Probably not, makes no difference.
20. God and faith: Do we need the church? / Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
Social structures emerge.
21. The will to power: Is there good and evil? / Friedrich Nietzsche
Hubris has its survival value.
22. Consciousness and evolution: What is the human spirit? / Henri
Bergson
Good folk lore stories.
23. The foundations of certainty: What can we know and how can we know
it? / Edmund Husserl.
Anything, consult the credibility module in our brain.
Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?:
23 Questions from Great Philosophers
by Leszek Kolakowski
http://www.amazon.com/There-Something-Rather-Than-Nothing/dp/0465004997/
Good list. Thanks Mort!
your questions are boring and depressing ggg get a livehttp://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=ClbEbSVszYM&feature=related- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
great/ ggggg in what dimension |
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| ZerkonXXXX |
| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:47 pm |
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:08:13 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
Quote: 1. the good: Why do we do evil? / Socrates
First, Why do we do? The good and evil then is easy.
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2. Being and non-being: What is real? / Parmenides of Elea
Everything
Quote: 3. Change, conflict and harmony: How does the cosmos work? / Heraclitus
of Ephesus
Not by the hour!
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4. The good and the just: What is the source of truth? / Plato
Order
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5. Life in accordance with nature: Can it make us happy? / Epictetus of
Hierapolis
'It make'? Life is in accordance to nature. Are you happy?
Quote: 6. Knowledge and belief: Can we know anything? / Sextus Empiricus
Not entirely.
Quote: 7. God and man: What is evil? / St. Augustine
Live backwards
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8. God's necessity: Could God not exist? / St. Anselm
Only if the question does.
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9. Knowledge, faith and the soul: Is the world good? / St. Thomas
Aquinas
Yes and no
Quote: 10. What there is: Do ideas exist? / William of Ockham
If you 'have' one
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11. God, the world and our minds: How can we achieve certainty? / Rene
Descartes
without question
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12. The nature of God: Do we have free will? / Benedict Spinoza
Yes but so what?
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13. God and the world: Why is there something rather than nothing? /
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Yawn... zzzzz....zzzz.. what? Could you repeat the question?
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14. Faith: Why should we believe? / Blaise Pascal
Because you can.
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15. Reason, freedom and equality: What did God endow us with? / John
Locke
Atheism among other things
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16. Perception and causality: What can we know? / David Hume
Whatever is left from what we do not know.
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17. Reason, necessity and morality: How is knowledge possible? /
Immanuel Kant
By not reading Kant.
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18. Hiostory and the absolute: Progress without good and evil? / Georg
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
Imagine!
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19. World, will and sex: Should we commit suicide? / Arthur Schopenhauer
what's this 'we' stuff, White man!
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20. God and faith: Do we need the church? / Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
Much less than it needs us.
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21. The will to power: Is there good and evil? / Friedrich Nietzsche
Obviously and self-evident by this question
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22. Consciousness and evolution: What is the human spirit? / Henri
Bergson
Anything the cat spirit has become bored with.
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23. The foundations of certainty: What can we know and how can we know
it? / Edmund Husserl.
Done by doing
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Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?: 23 Questions from Great
Philosophers
by Leszek Kolakowski
QUOTE: In all the universe man cannot find a well so deep that, leaning
over it, he does not discover at the bottom his own face.
Zerkon addition:.. and so entirely missing the fact he is actually only
looking at water. |
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| Immortalist |
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:45 am |
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On Nov 7, 4:56 pm, "Sean O'Reilly Report"
<Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote:
Quote: Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?:
23 Questions from Great Philosophers
by Leszek Kolakowski
http://www.amazon.com/There-Something-Rather-Than-Nothing/dp/0465004997/
What is the answer to these 23 Questions Immortalist ... or do I need to
read Leszek to find out?
One would think the Philosophers could have come up with a better run of
questions, but that's philosophy for you. - Hide quoted text -
No, these are the best questions. What is life, why is life, actually
can you think of any better questions that wouldn't be derivative of
the big ones?
Philosophical questions involve conceptual issues. Most philosophical
questions boil down to basic concepts, or principles. And that is the
defining feature of a philosophical question. Reality, knowledge,
right, wrong, justice, and the like are all concepts. The challenge of
a philosophical investigation is [exploring_the_principles] and
concepts at issue, and applying the results to situations that involve
those ideas.
Answers to life's basic questions share an important property that
also characterizes philosophy. Because of the conceptual nature of the
fundamental issues philosophy considers, philosophers can, as yet,
never give absolute proof that they are right.
Philosophical questions do not get "solved," as empirical questions
do. The empirical question "How many pages are in this book?" has a
single, correct answer; all others are wrong. But a philosophical
question like "Is abortion wrong?" has more than one plausible answer.
Depending on the positions taken on such debatable issues as "life,"
"personhood," and "rights," we can find even completely opposing
arguments that are reasonable and believable. Similarly, we can make a
plausible case for saying that we're free to choose anything we want
whenever we want to. On the other hand, we can also make an
intelligent case for saying that our sense of freedom is an illusion—
that we fool ourselves into thinking we're free when our behavior is
actually determined. It is simply a characteristic of philosophical
issues that we fall short of absolute certainty. And this means that
philosophical thinking deals more in probability and plausibility than
absolute truth and falsehood.
The habit of thinking philosophically lets us scrutinize our values,
our goals, and the means we've chosen to achieve them, and it helps us
keep our lives on course. In Socrates' mind, at least, philosophy
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| jer0en |
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:57 am |
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1. the good: Why do we do evil? / Socrates
A. because there is punishment according to law
B. because we can escape such punishment and want to communicate this
2. Being and non-being: What is real? / Parmenides of Elea
being and non-being are properties that are neither mathematically nor
physically defined, nor in any other theoretical framework that would allow
for an objective verification. but even if they were, outside of such a
framework, that is in everyday speech, they remain subjective properties.
as to their reality in everyday speech the question is a fallacy, since it
is reality that decides what is and what is not, and by no means in hell
vice versa.
are there any more questions? |
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| jer0en |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:16 am |
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reality, which is another word for everyday speech, is the only theoretical
framework that allows for an objective verification of what is and what is
not, and it belongs to him who has the power to hold it.
allways has |
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| jer0en |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:27 am |
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do people learn anything from their history at all?
not until recently. |
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| jer0en |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:43 am |
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what is important on our planet isn't what is real and what is not. what is
important is who owns reality.
reality is just a means of giving your allegeance to the one who owns it by
publicly attesting to it, that is to him, or a weapon of mass destruction to
those who don't.
allways has been |
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| jer0en |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:53 am |
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personally I would strongly recommend against attesting to basicly any fact
at all that is presented as being a part of basicly any reality.
this would include the great taste of sugar free coke, because the nutrient
placebo was specifically designed to starve us.
yes a hungry man is an angry man, but only if he knows. |
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| jer0en |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:06 am |
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| in any other reality he is completely docile. |
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| herbzet |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:56 am |
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ZerkonXXXX wrote:
Quote: Immortalist wrote:
6. Knowledge and belief: Can we know anything? / Sextus Empiricus
Not entirely.
Is that entirely true?
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| jer0en |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:39 pm |
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so historically reality is just an asset that comes with a particular ruler.
and since rulers have to distinguish themselves from other rulers, they do
so by adopting different realities that their allies can attest to.
in the best case scenario realities would differ in trivial aspects only,
typically using the explanation of the natural phenomena as an identifier.
in the worst case scenario the explanation of the natural phenomena would be
left to a social institution, in our case called the scientific
enlightenment, which includes the separation of state and religion, that
would vouch for the truth of any non-trivial aspects of reality the ruler
would decree.
such a social construction would allow a ruler to do with reality whatever
he pleased, and the first thing on his agenda would be to disappear from it. |
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