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PolicySpy
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:35 pm
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The entries for the 100 MPG X-Prize are set...

http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams


And it looks very good.

There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there are some
cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look like exotic
prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like compressed air.

The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is some
highly developed hybrid technology as well.

So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ?
Don Stauffer
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:49 pm
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PolicySpy wrote:
Quote:
The entries for the 100 MPG X-Prize are set...

http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams


And it looks very good.

There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there are some
cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look like exotic
prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like compressed air.

Wouldn't you have to count the fuel cost of whatever drives the
compressor? In that case, the compressed air engine is not that great.
Quote:

The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is some
highly developed hybrid technology as well.

How well a hybrid would do depends on the exact duty cycle. Hybrids are
efficient only if the power requirement is very cyclical. If it is a lot
of high speed cruise the hybrid doesn't help much. Notice that most
current hybrids get better gas milage in town than on highway.

The trick on a high milage car for winning a prize is to size engine for
top speed requirement, which likely means a small engine. It is amazing
how little power is required to drive today's cars at 60 mph. No
acceleration performance, but if that is not required for the prize,
fine. Whether folks would buy a production car like that is another
question.

Quote:

So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ?

Kevin
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:16 pm
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Scotius <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote in
news:k7l075ppokl91ajg4gk9p4rsls6irl4n0m@4ax.com:

Quote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 04:35:07 -0400, "PolicySpy" <PIntell@notmail.com
wrote:

The entries for the 100 MPG X-Prize are set...

http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams


And it looks very good.

There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there
are some cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look
like exotic prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like
compressed air.

The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is
some highly developed hybrid technology as well.

So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ?


The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".
However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.


if you truly beleive there is a super carb I feel sorry for you. you
must beleive in Santa Clause also. No such thing, no such how, not one
creditable example of such ever been. (aside from the fact the science
doesn`t show it possible.) KB

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Scotius
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:56 pm
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On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 04:35:07 -0400, "PolicySpy" <PIntell@notmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
The entries for the 100 MPG X-Prize are set...

http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams


And it looks very good.

There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there are some
cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look like exotic
prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like compressed air.

The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is some
highly developed hybrid technology as well.

So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ?


The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".
However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:56 pm
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Scotius <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote:
Quote:
The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".

This technology is called the "motorcycle" and I have it on good word
that several companies in Japan and Germany, as well as at least one in
the US, are currently developing these "motorcycles" which should be on
the market soon.

Quote:
However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.

There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Ted \"I survived Chappaqu
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:53 pm
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On Jul 29, 2:00 pm, Scotius <yodas...@mnsi.net> wrote:
Quote:
On 29 Jul 2009 10:33:08 -0400, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Scotius  <yodas...@mnsi.net> wrote:
       The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".

This technology is called the "motorcycle" and I have it on good word
that several companies in Japan and Germany, as well as at least one in
the US, are currently developing these "motorcycles" which should be on
the market soon.

       However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.

There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass.  There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott

        A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.

So, was he dressed as Clark Kent, or as Superman?
hls
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:41 pm
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:h4pmj4$rui$1@panix2.panix.com...

Quote:
There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by
reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott

Ditto...and to take it further, acetone, hydrolyzed water, etc are not magic
either. There is still no free lunch.
Scotius
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm
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On 29 Jul 2009 10:33:08 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Quote:
Scotius <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote:
The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".

This technology is called the "motorcycle" and I have it on good word
that several companies in Japan and Germany, as well as at least one in
the US, are currently developing these "motorcycles" which should be on
the market soon.

However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.

There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott

A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.
Sid9
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:55 pm
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"Scotius" <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote in message
news:th31759836pn09o3it37gaifcchomph2p1@4ax.com...
Quote:
On 29 Jul 2009 10:33:08 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Scotius <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote:
The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a
"myth".

This technology is called the "motorcycle" and I have it
on good word
that several companies in Japan and Germany, as well as at
least one in
the US, are currently developing these "motorcycles" which
should be on
the market soon.

However, if the people who have the patent for that
don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build
cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel
systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift
from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal
space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be
commercially
successful in most areas.

There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency
caused by reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much
you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott

A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went
to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I
think he would
know.

That must be like the pill you put in your gas tank and add
water...more conspiracy bullshit.

There's an energy equation...there's no magic carburetor.

Anyway, there's no carburetor at all.

We use fuel injection which does a far better job of
metering out fuel than any carburetor ever did.
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:40 pm
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Scotius <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote:
Quote:

A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.

So, why isn't he using one?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
necromancer - ECHM
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:13 am
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:00:57 -0400, Scotius <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote:

Quote:
A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.

Then why doesn't Ford bring it to market and capitalize on the,
"green," trend with some 100+ MPG cars that don't rely on highly
sophisticated junk like hybrid drives?
--
"I... Can't drive... FIFTY-FIVE!!"
--Sammy Hagar
hls
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:36 am
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"necromancer - ECHM"
Quote:
Then why doesn't Ford bring it to market and capitalize on the,
"green," trend with some 100+ MPG cars that don't rely on highly
sophisticated junk like hybrid drives?


Because it is all horse carp. Pogue designed a carburetor that was
supposed to do this, but it failed miserably. Fish also put out some
"high mileage" carburetors, but they werent.

You CANNOT avoid the laws of thermodynamics. There is NO
perpetual motion,and there is no super high economy carburetor.

Anyone who believes there is has to be severaly under-educated.
 
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