Navigation: Main Page » Computer / Recreational / Science / Society / Television
 
Web N-N-A.com
         
Recreational Groups Forum Index  »  Arts - Books - Tolkien  »  Dreams
Page 1 of 1    
Author Message
Sean_Q_
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 am
Guest
In article "Re: Tolkien spoofs, satires and parodies"
Troels Forchhammer scribed this message on the prow of an Elven dory
and set it drifting down the Anduin:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_B_BaV2yyRno/RakjfC705hI/AAAAAAAAACA/9t_b1Xq_ocU/s1600-h/dory+%282%29resize.jpg

Quote:
I was a book purist at the age of 5, when I was horrified at what
the movie did to "The Wizard of Oz". The absolutely worst betrayal
was to make it "all a dream"!!

I don't know if Tolkien ever knew the Wizard of Oz, but I'm sure that
he'd agree that this was a grave betrayal. When speaking about what
fairy-story is _not_, Tolkien said:

Next, after travellers' tales, I would also exclude, or
rule out of order, any story that uses the machinery of
Dream, the dreaming of actual human sleep, to explain the
apparent occurrence of its marvels.

And yet Lewis Carroll's two classics, Wonderland & Looking Glass
are dreams.

However, it could be argued that the two Alice stories aren't,
strictly speaking, fairy tales. But then again, why shouldn't they be?

Aside from political satire and brilliant ridicule of the moralizing
literature of the era (such as "Father William"), perhaps Alice's
dreams, where characters from real life appear in altered forms
are an attempt by her subconscious mind to resolve some of
the uncertainties and contradictions of her social environment.

But it could also be argued that this is precisely what fairy tales
are.

Anyway, I didn't feel betrayed in the least by the Judy Garland
version of Oz. She does wake up in bed, but also knows that it all
wasn't a dream. I've never been to Kansas, but if I ever visit I'll
see for myself if everything is gray (except for Cairn Terriers).

BTW JRRT himself uses dreams as a sort of deus ex machina, especially
the "Seek for the broken sword" dream.

SQ
Stan Brown
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:13 pm
Guest
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:39:07 -0700 from Sean_Q_ <no.spam@no.spam>:
Quote:
Anyway, I didn't feel betrayed in the least by the Judy Garland
version of Oz. She does wake up in bed, but also knows that it all
wasn't a dream.

Better watch it again.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Tolkien FAQs: http://Tolkien.slimy.com (Steuard Jensen's site)
Tolkien letters FAQ:
http://mysite.verizon.net/aznirb/mtr/lettersfaq.html
FAQ of the Rings: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm
Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm
more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/faqget.htm
 
Page 1 of 1       All times are GMT
The time now is Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:31 am