On Jul 28, 11:56 am, rhm <r...@softwareag.com> wrote:



No. Perhaps partner has

AQJx
--
AJx
AJxxxx

I doubt that 6S +1 will be such a bad score.

I'd be happy to lose a partner who bid 6S on such a hand.

On Jul 27, 11:21 am, "Mark B." <pauoasl...@att.net> wrote:



You are playing with a partner who (as is clear from the below
auction) has paid his entry fee, and thus has a license to bid what he
wishes (but is generally in the ball park).

You pick up in a club game at matchpoints:

9xxxxx
A10xx
Void
Qxx

Partner opens 1C, you trot out 1S, partner then announces a skip bid,
and bids 6S.

So, do you or don't you? (and there was alot riding on it--the right
answer would win you yesterday's club championship, the wrong answer
would leave you languishing in second, lamenting what might have
been.  I got it wrong )

If my memory is correct, Rubens has run a couple of problems like
these in the MSC.  The 1m 1M 5M hand typically looks like this:

QJxxx
A
--
AKJxxxx

or the like and asks responder to increase the level by 1 for each
trump honor held.

At some point, he proposed that 1S 2H 6H might looks something like
this:

AKQxxx
xxxxxx
A
--

in which case responder was asked to bid seven if he held the ace of
hearts.

Obviously, our opener cannot hold that hand - for one thing, neither
one of us has heart honors!  But if he is thinking along the same
lines, he might have

KJxxx
--
A
AKJxxxx

and want to be in the grand slam whether we have the AQ or even Axxxx
and be willing to shoot out the grand slam if we have Axxx.

Not having the ace of spades, I therefore pass.

Henrysun909

Thanks to everyone who posted.  Many of the comments were those what
went through my head when I passed after long thought.

My partner held:

AKQx
x
AKJx
AK10x

In the universe I inhabit, and that I believe most bridge players
(other than strong club players) inhabit, this is obviously a 2C
opener, and not even close (I would rebid 2S over 2D waiting, but
others might feel differently).  I can't fathom why partner opened 1C
(he said he'd have rebid problems), but the reason for my posting was
to learn what people thought partner might have.

Ultimately, while I believed we would likely make seven, partner's bid
could mean we were missing a high trump, so I passed.  I suppose the
real reason I passed was that if we only made six, no matter what
partner had, it couldn't possibly be my fault, but if I bid seven down
one, well ...

As an aside, and possibly (likely) a comment on the field, plus 1010
was worth 10.5 out of 17, and only one pair of 18 bid the grand.  So
maybe partner was right after all , had I done what I thought was
likely right, we'd have gotten there.

I'd like to think, of course, that had partner simply opened 2C, it
couldn't be that hard to get there, especially as the void doesn't get
in the way as we have all the key cards anyway.

[To the poster in this thread who wrote:  "Why would anyone give a
toss what YOUR winning decision is here"--If someone else's post is
such a waste of your time, why respond in such a way, why not just
ignore it.]

Thanks to everyone who posted. Many of the comments were those what
went through my head when I passed after long thought.

My partner held:

AKQx
x
AKJx
AK10x

In the universe I inhabit, and that I believe most bridge players
(other than strong club players) inhabit, this is obviously a 2C
opener, and not even close (I would rebid 2S over 2D waiting, but
others might feel differently). I can't fathom why partner opened 1C
(he said he'd have rebid problems), but the reason for my posting was
to learn what people thought partner might have.

Ultimately, while I believed we would likely make seven, partner's bid
could mean we were missing a high trump, so I passed. I suppose the
real reason I passed was that if we only made six, no matter what
partner had, it couldn't possibly be my fault, but if I bid seven down
one, well ...

As an aside, and possibly (likely) a comment on the field, plus 1010
was worth 10.5 out of 17, and only one pair of 18 bid the grand. So
maybe partner was right after all , had I done what I thought was
likely right, we'd have gotten there.

I'd like to think, of course, that had partner simply opened 2C, it
couldn't be that hard to get there, especially as the void doesn't get
in the way as we have all the key cards anyway.

[To the poster in this thread who wrote: "Why would anyone give a
toss what YOUR winning decision is here"--If someone else's post is
such a waste of your time, why respond in such a way, why not just
ignore it.]

You are playing with a partner who (as is clear from the below
auction) has paid his entry fee, and thus has a license to bid what he
wishes (but is generally in the ball park).

You pick up in a club game at matchpoints:

9xxxxx
A10xx
Void
Qxx

Partner opens 1C, you trot out 1S, partner then announces a skip bid,
and bids 6S.

So, do you or don't you? (and there was alot riding on it--the right
answer would win you yesterday's club championship, the wrong answer
would leave you languishing in second, lamenting what might have
been.  I got it wrong )

On Jul 28, 1:02 pm, Gordon Rainsford <r...@gordonrainsford.com> wrote:

On Jul 28, 11:56 am, rhm <r...@softwareag.com> wrote:

No. Perhaps partner has

AQJx
--
AJx
AJxxxx

I doubt that 6S +1 will be such a bad score.

I'd be happy to lose a partner who bid 6S on such a hand.

Very easy to criticize a bid like 6S. Not so easy suggesting sensible
alternatives.

Please tell me your great bidding plan after 1C--1S.
How do you project the bidding to continue in an inexperienced
partnership?

And please note that a successful high spade contract may very well
depend on  the opening lead. All things being equal you would very
much prefer a heart to a diamond lead. How do you shield further such
information from the opponents?

Over a direct 6S a good player should have little problem bidding 7S
with both black Kings.

For the record I did a simulation 1000 deals with the above hand:

My specifications:

partner spades were his longest suit, but could have another suit of
equal length and partner holds at least 5 HCP

LHO (from opener's perspective) had no red suit with more than 5 cards
RHO had no red suit with more than 6 cards;
Otherwise they might not have passed.

Result:

Double Dummy 6S made 67,6% of all cases.
When 6S was down, 324 deals, it often depended on the right opening
lead.
7S would have made Double Dummy in 38.5 cases, but very often you
would not want to be in a grand.

I play with partners of various competence and I do not mind playing
from time to time a club game with a newcomer or weak player when
asked. I do not know at which exulted level you are playing, but even
my more competent partners make far worse mistakes in the bidding then
that.

Rainer Herrmann

On Jul 28, 2:21 am, "Mark B." <pauoasl...@att.net> wrote:



You are playing with a partner who (as is clear from the below
auction) has paid his entry fee, and thus has a license to bid what he
wishes (but is generally in the ball park).

You pick up in a club game at matchpoints:

9xxxxx
A10xx
Void
Qxx

Partner opens 1C, you trot out 1S, partner then announces a skip bid,
and bids 6S.

So, do you or don't you? (and there was alot riding on it--the right
answer would win you yesterday's club championship, the wrong answer
would leave you languishing in second, lamenting what might have
been.  I got it wrong )

What kind of hand can partner have to bid 6S missing the heart ace and
the club queen in addition to missing a key card in spades or missing
either the ace or king of clubs?  Further, partner must have a clear
source of tricks so that suggests a long club suit. Also, partner's
failure to bid 4NT to check up on key cards in case we should be in 7S
suggests he can't ask for aces which suggests a heart void give your
heart length. At minimum, I would give partner something like:

S AKxx    H --   D Kx   C AKJxxxx

However, even this is a little light.
I would think one might take a shot and bid 6S with something like:

S AKQx   H --  D Kx   C AKxxxxx

or

S AKxxx  H --  D Kx  C AKJxxx

In short, I think not bidding 7S is playing partner to be a complete
idiot when you hold the club queen,  two extra cards in spades, and
two first round red controls.

Eric Leong

On Jul 28, 9:01 pm, rhm <r...@softwareag.com> wrote:



On Jul 28, 1:02 pm, Gordon Rainsford <r...@gordonrainsford.com> wrote:

On Jul 28, 11:56 am, rhm <r...@softwareag.com> wrote:

No. Perhaps partner has

AQJx
--
AJx
AJxxxx

I doubt that 6S +1 will be such a bad score.

I'd be happy to lose a partner who bid 6S on such a hand.

Very easy to criticize a bid like 6S. Not so easy suggesting sensible
alternatives.

Please tell me your great bidding plan after 1C--1S.
How do you project the bidding to continue in an inexperienced
partnership?

And please note that a successful high spade contract may very well
depend on  the opening lead. All things being equal you would very
much prefer a heart to a diamond lead. How do you shield further such
information from the opponents?

Over a direct 6S a good player should have little problem bidding 7S
with both black Kings.

For the record I did a simulation 1000 deals with the above hand:

My specifications:

partner spades were his longest suit, but could have another suit of
equal length and partner holds at least 5 HCP

LHO (from opener's perspective) had no red suit with more than 5 cards
RHO had no red suit with more than 6 cards;
Otherwise they might not have passed.

Result:

Double Dummy 6S made 67,6% of all cases.
When 6S was down, 324 deals, it often depended on the right opening
lead.
7S would have made Double Dummy in 38.5 cases, but very often you
would not want to be in a grand.

I play with partners of various competence and I do not mind playing
from time to time a club game with a newcomer or weak player when
asked. I do not know at which exulted level you are playing, but even
my more competent partners make far worse mistakes in the bidding then
that.

Rainer Herrmann

Bidding 6S with a five loser hand is a joke.
Surely, if partner can cover four of your losers he can make some sort
of slam move when you show a good hand at a lower level.

Eric Leong

On Jul 29, 3:11 pm, Eric Leong <ewleong...@hotmail.com> wrote:





On Jul 28, 9:01 pm, rhm <r...@softwareag.com> wrote:

On Jul 28, 1:02 pm, Gordon Rainsford <r...@gordonrainsford.com> wrote:

On Jul 28, 11:56 am, rhm <r...@softwareag.com> wrote:

No. Perhaps partner has

AQJx
--
AJx
AJxxxx

I doubt that 6S +1 will be such a bad score.

I'd be happy to lose a partner who bid 6S on such a hand.

Very easy to criticize a bid like 6S. Not so easy suggesting sensible
alternatives.

Please tell me your great bidding plan after 1C--1S.
How do you project the bidding to continue in an inexperienced
partnership?

And please note that a successful high spade contract may very well
depend on  the opening lead. All things being equal you would very
much prefer a heart to a diamond lead. How do you shield further such
information from the opponents?

Over a direct 6S a good player should have little problem bidding 7S
with both black Kings.

For the record I did a simulation 1000 deals with the above hand:

My specifications:

partner spades were his longest suit, but could have another suit of
equal length and partner holds at least 5 HCP

LHO (from opener's perspective) had no red suit with more than 5 cards
RHO had no red suit with more than 6 cards;
Otherwise they might not have passed.

Result:

Double Dummy 6S made 67,6% of all cases.
When 6S was down, 324 deals, it often depended on the right opening
lead.
7S would have made Double Dummy in 38.5 cases, but very often you
would not want to be in a grand.

I play with partners of various competence and I do not mind playing
from time to time a club game with a newcomer or weak player when
asked. I do not know at which exulted level you are playing, but even
my more competent partners make far worse mistakes in the bidding then
that.

Rainer Herrmann

Bidding 6S with a five loser hand is a joke.
Surely, if partner can cover four of your losers he can make some sort
of slam move when you show a good hand at a lower level.

Eric Leong

Calling this a 5 loser hand is the real joke.

You probably would consider

KQJx
--
QJx
QJxxxx

also a 5 loser hand.
Well, all I can say: Some can evaluate a Bridge hand and some can not.

I at least have backed up my judgment that my suggested hand after
1C--1S

AQJx
--
AJx
AJxxxx

is closer to a 3 loser hand with a random simulation, where I required
partner to hold only a minimum of 4 cards in spades and a minimum of 5
HCP.
Result was that slam made in nearly 68% of all cases.

Rainer Herrmann- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks to everyone who posted. Many of the comments were those what
went through my head when I passed after long thought.

My partner held:

AKQx
x
AKJx
AK10x

In the universe I inhabit, and that I believe most bridge players
(other than strong club players) inhabit, this is obviously a 2C
opener, and not even close (I would rebid 2S over 2D waiting, but
others might feel differently). I can't fathom why partner opened 1C
(he said he'd have rebid problems), but the reason for my posting was
to learn what people thought partner might have.

Ultimately, while I believed we would likely make seven, partner's bid
could mean we were missing a high trump, so I passed. I suppose the
real reason I passed was that if we only made six, no matter what
partner had, it couldn't possibly be my fault, but if I bid seven down
one, well ...

As an aside, and possibly (likely) a comment on the field, plus 1010
was worth 10.5 out of 17, and only one pair of 18 bid the grand. So
maybe partner was right after all , had I done what I thought was
likely right, we'd have gotten there.

I'd like to think, of course, that had partner simply opened 2C, it
couldn't be that hard to get there, especially as the void doesn't get
in the way as we have all the key cards anyway.

[To the poster in this thread who wrote: "Why would anyone give a
toss what YOUR winning decision is here"--If someone else's post is
such a waste of your time, why respond in such a way, why not just
ignore it.]