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| Ashok |
 Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:47 am |
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Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok |
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| Sandy E. Barnes |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:47 am |
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"Ashok" <adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:4p0nd3Fg7nohU2@individual.net...
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
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I'm happy with the first pass, but I bid 1S over 1C.
Sandy Barnes
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| Patrick Page |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:47 am |
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I open 1N.
"Ashok" <adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:4p0nd3Fg7nohU2@individual.net...
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
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| raija d |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:47 am |
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"Ashok" <adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
I would open 1C first seat. But if I had passed as dealer, I would not
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| Kieran Dyke |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:47 am |
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"Ashok" <adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
I would open, but pass out 1C if I didn't.
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| Gerben Dirksen |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:15 pm |
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"Ashok" <adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
1st round: depends on partner. Normally I open A and AK but with
conservative partner I will pass.
2nd round: 1S seems clear.
Gerben |
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| LowerLine |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:10 pm |
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Ashok schreef:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
No, I wouldn't. I would like to open 1S with this hand. Even if I have
to open 1C/NT I'd still do it.
Quote: And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
If I really forgot to open this hand, I'd bid 1S now.
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| Bill Jacobs |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:04 pm |
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adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com (Ashok) wrote in news:4p0nd3Fg7nohU2
@individual.net:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
I'll try bid and bid, particularly at this vul.
1C as dealer.
1S overcall if I have passed.
But of course it's very much a matter of partnership style.
Cheers ... Bill |
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| kes |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:57 pm |
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We would open 1S - Rule of 18 , but less than 14 P - exactly 4 spades
and less than 4 hearts .
kes |
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| Otis Bricker |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:05 pm |
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adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com (Ashok) wrote in news:4p0nd3Fg7nohU2
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Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
I would have opened. Quick tricks matter to me. 3 of them makes an
opening.
I would also gave passed the South Hand in your other post.
Flat and only 1.5 QT.
If I had with the 3QT, I balance with 1S or 1N, depending on partner,
opponents,state of the game and phase of the moon. The exact weighting of
these factors is complex, proprietary and requires over 100 pages to
fully document but does mirror the results of a coin toss.
OB |
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| Bob Lipton |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:22 pm |
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Ashok wrote:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
Yes
Quote: And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Nope. I would pass.
Welcome to the downside of light openers.
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| kes |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:43 pm |
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Bob Lipton wrote:
Quote: Nope. I would pass.
Welcome to the downside of light openers.
Bob
No problem as long as pd knows , what he can expect .
kes |
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| Derek Broughton |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:06 pm |
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Otis Bricker wrote:
Quote: adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com (Ashok) wrote in news:4p0nd3Fg7nohU2
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Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
I would have opened. Quick tricks matter to me. 3 of them makes an
opening.
Me too, but with none of those tricks in clubs, I'd pass. With a fifth
spade I'd open 1S in a flash.
As for balancing over 1C: same problem. Not enough spades.
Quote: If I had with the 3QT, I balance with 1S or 1N, depending on partner,
opponents,state of the game and phase of the moon. The exact weighting of
these factors is complex, proprietary and requires over 100 pages to
fully document but does mirror the results of a coin toss.
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| Will in New Haven |
| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:18 pm |
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Ashok wrote:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
I would open the hand 1NT. At IMP I am supposed to have 12HCP but this
hand is well worth it. At MP, I like to play 10-13.
Playing Strong NT, I would open the hand 1S if our methods let me do
it.
After 1C and two passes, I would pass this hand at this vulnerability,
whether I had the opportunity to open or not. They don't figure to have
a really good fit if partner has any cards as he would have taken
action if short. If he has no cards, we don't need to be in the
auction. If he has cards and is not short in Clubs, we will be beating
1C and very likely enough for whatever we will make. There are, I will
admit, hands where he has SOME cards and we can compete profitably to
maybe the two level. However, that's the chance ya take.
Will in New Haven
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| Guest |
| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:53 am |
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Ashok wrote:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
I would automatically balance in with 1S at pairs. I would much rather
fight for a part score result mainly in the -50 to +120 range rather
than pass and fight for a part score result mainly in -70 to +100
range. Further, if the opponents are going to make a mistake they are
much more prone to make an error on defense rather than when they
declare the hand.
Eric Leong |
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| Ron Johnson |
| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:24 am |
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Ashok wrote:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
I understand pass (particularly if the option is opening 1C)
but would only pass if that's the style partner insisted
upon.
Quote: And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Having thought about it, I understand Kieran's point. I'd
have had the 1S card out of my hand on sheer reflex
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| Guest |
| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:39 am |
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Ashok wrote:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
No, I wouldn't have passed as opening bidds (3 quick tricks is a
mandatory opening bid for me, even balanced) and had I passed (a
reasonable decision), I certainly would have balanced with 1S.
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| Adam Beneschan |
| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:49 am |
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Ashok wrote:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
No. The honor structure of this hand (including the 10 behind the A-K
of spades) makes it better than most 12-HCP hands with the same
distribution, IMHO. I'd open 1C in my partnership, same as I would if
you changed my D8 to a queen. I can understand a 1S opening but it
isn't really our style.
Quote: And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
No, I don't think so. For us to have a game in spades, partner
probably will have four spades, and it's most likely that he'll have at
least three hearts (otherwise where are they all?), and about an
opening hand, which looks like a takeout double to me.
At pairs, it's possible that we could compete in spades if we have a
spade fit and partner's hand isn't strong enough for a takeout double.
Against that, there's the possibility that we don't have much of
anything, and balancing will give the opponents the opportunity to get
to a better matchpoint spot (in hearts or notrump). I'm going to guess
to pass.
-- Adam |
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| Andrew |
| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:21 am |
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Ashok wrote:
Quote: Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
No. I think pass is terrible. This is an easy opener.
Quote: And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Yes, I would balance with 1S. We have reasonable offensive chances
opposite a spade fit. Give partner: xxxx, xxxx, AQJx, x and we could
make 4S on a good day.
There is a chance the opponents have an undiscovered heart fit, but
against that we may be able outcompete them in spades and I do have
three likely defensive tricks, so we may be able to defeat a heart
contract.
If my defense was worse or if my major was hearts I would not balance,
but with the given cards I think it is percentage to act.
Andrew |
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| Andrew |
| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:27 am |
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Bill Jacobs wrote:
Quote: adhareshwar@hotNO_SPAMmail.com (Ashok) wrote in news:4p0nd3Fg7nohU2
@individual.net:
Would you pass twice with this hand?
Pairs. N deals. E-W vul.
North hand
AKT3
A6
876
T763
The bidding at our table was simplicity itself.
East got to play the hand at 1C.
Would you pass the hand in the opening seat?
And, having passed, would you balance over 1C?
Ashok
I'll try bid and bid, particularly at this vul.
1C as dealer.
1S overcall if I have passed.
But of course it's very much a matter of partnership style.
If your style is missing games and part scores then I recommend passing
this hand. Surely the only people who would pass this hand are those
who do not understand hand evaluation. As others have said, this is a
fine hand worth more than many balanced 12 counts.
Andrew |
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