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| Julian Bond |
 Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:52 pm |
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This is where the story really starts.
- Capirossi and Pedrosa fast
- Rossi and Hayden slow.
And then Dani has the mother of all high sides after catching his knee
on a curb. They're saying now he may miss Sunday and possibly next
Sunday as well. It'll be shame if he's out. Having an accident at the
start of a close run group of races is a bitch.
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| Champ |
| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:47 pm |
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:52:09 GMT, Julian Bond
<julian_bond@voidstar.com> wrote:
Quote: This is where the story really starts.
- Capirossi and Pedrosa fast
- Rossi and Hayden slow.
And then Dani has the mother of all high sides after catching his knee
on a curb.
Wooah! http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/482/482067_22829.jpg
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| pablo |
| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:48 pm |
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"Julian Bond" <julian_bond@voidstar.com> wrote in message
news:8vJSa7j8IYAFFAbE@jblaptop.voidstar.com...
Quote: ... They're saying now he may miss Sunday and possibly next Sunday as
well. ...
In any case, he won't be at 100% and thus it's very doubtful he'll score top
results. There goes one title candidate, and it's great news for Hayden, who
is keeping it together and letting them come. I continue to like Hayden's
approach, and thik the title is his no matter how much others try to talk it
down.
Quote: ... It'll be shame if he's out. Having an accident at the start of a close
run group of races is a bitch.
Which is why maybe he shouldn't have been going balls out. Melandri's slide
lookes like one of those things of cathcing the wrong bump mid corner,
Dani's looked like he was riding over-aggressively. He was already down, but
still on the bike, and *then* he highsides... he should have let it go. His
mistake, I think.
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| Mikel_hnd |
| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:41 pm |
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pablo ha escrito:
Quote: Which is why maybe he shouldn't have been going balls out. Melandri's slide
lookes like one of those things of cathcing the wrong bump mid corner,
Dani's looked like he was riding over-aggressively. He was already down, but
still on the bike, and *then* he highsides... he should have let it go. His
mistake, I think.
And how do you know he could have let it go? It's not so easy.
We haven't even seen the images, just the on board camera, and it
doesn't really shows how or why it happened.
There is nothing bad if he was going fast, that's what they have to do.
Just waiting the others to be "KO" like you seem to think Hayden is
doing is horrible for the spectacle and it doesn't say anything good
for him like a rider.
But I don't agree with you, I don't think that's what he is doing, he
just couldn't go so fast like others where going today.
And remember it's not the first year for Melandri in MotoGP, he has
fallen many times, so he has enough experience to fall "well". |
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| Julian Bond |
| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:44 am |
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Mikel_hnd <miguel_bst@hotmail.com> Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:41:53
Quote: And how do you know he could have let it go? It's not so easy.
We haven't even seen the images, just the on board camera, and it
doesn't really shows how or why it happened.
He's saying the front let go a little, he dug his knee in to save it,
but his knee then caught on the kerb. On the video, you can see it
happen. It's like his knee caught and that lifted and pulled the back
round. The next thing is the bike is now sideways, catches, and flings
him high over the highside. Just one of those things. But before it
happened he was fast.
In some ways, Dani has it easy. Nobody expected him to go this quick in
his first year. So if the championship doesn't come off, he's still done
way more than was expected. It's Rossi who has the most to lose. It's
really going to rankle that he may lose the championship to someone who
he believes he can beat any day of the week.
Quote: But I don't agree with you, I don't think that's what he is doing, he
just couldn't go so fast like others where going today.
It's like every weekend this year. There's two people way out front and
then 10 people covered by a half second. You only have to be a fraction
off the pace to drop 8 places. People like Edwards aren't going slow.
They're just not quite as fast as the others.
BTW. The 2007 Honda is rumoured to be tiny. Like really tiny. But nobody
knows yet if it's fast or what engine layout it's got. And KrJr
apparently said they were knocking off so much power at Brno with the
electronics that the bike might as well have been 800cc. But of course
only in places where they can't get the power down.
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| Mikel_hnd |
| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:26 am |
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Julian Bond ha escrito:
Quote: He's saying the front let go a little, he dug his knee in to save it,
but his knee then caught on the kerb. On the video, you can see it
happen. It's like his knee caught and that lifted and pulled the back
round. The next thing is the bike is now sideways, catches, and flings
him high over the highside. Just one of those things. But before it
happened he was fast.
Yes, I think it was something like that.
And have you all seen this?
http://www.motociclismo.es/rcs/noticias/2006/09_Sep/mono_pedrosa.jpg
WOW
Quote: In some ways, Dani has it easy. Nobody expected him to go this quick in
his first year. So if the championship doesn't come off, he's still done
way more than was expected. It's Rossi who has the most to lose. It's
really going to rankle that he may lose the championship to someone who
he believes he can beat any day of the week.
Exactly.
Anyway, here is the video of the crash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn5XVmw2AKg
At the beginnig he was walking, but then he had to stop because all his
body was hurting. The doctors had to put 4 or 5 stitchs in his knee,
and they had to stretch his skin (is that how do you say it?) so he can
not bend his knee now. He has something in one of his toes too and many
burns. He will try to ride tomorrow, but it will be very difficult... |
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| sturd |
| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:35 am |
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Mikel_hnd points to:
Quote: http://www.motociclismo.es/rcs/noticias/2006/09_Sep/mono_pedrosa.jpg
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Quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn5XVmw2AKg
Owww. Owww. Goddam owwww.
The onbike vid makes it look like he caught something hard
enough to almost pull him off the bike. That might have hurt
less.
Would suck not to see him bash and beat Rossi a couple times.
Next year. Hayden doesn't seem to have it in him, especially
while protecting a points lead.
Go fast. Take chances.
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| Greg Campbell |
| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:54 am |
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sturd wrote:
Amen.
Quote: The onbike vid makes it look like he caught something hard
enough to almost pull him off the bike. That might have hurt
less.
You can see his kneepad is all torn up. He's lucky not to have
shattered his knee. I'd guess he didn't fully impact the rumble strip,
but snagged the puck on an edge.
The double highside/landing is nothing to sneeze at either.
Quote: Would suck not to see him bash and beat Rossi a couple times.
Next year. Hayden doesn't seem to have it in him, especially
while protecting a points lead.
Unlike some, I won't bash Hayden if he goes on to win. He's been fast
(seldom fastest, but gobs of podiums), has stayed on, and has a reliable
bike. IMO, he and Honda deserves the title. Still, I'd like to see him
win a few more, including one vs. a 100% Rossi. (I don't know if that's
possible, Val is a frigging alien.)
-G |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:00 am |
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:47:42 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
On the TV coverage I saw, they did a reply of that and the onboard
camera seemed to be following him nicely. Didn't look fun though.
Neil
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| Mark N |
| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:36 pm |
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Julian Bond wrote:
Quote: In some ways, Dani has it easy. Nobody expected him to go this quick in
his first year. So if the championship doesn't come off, he's still done
way more than was expected. It's Rossi who has the most to lose. It's
really going to rankle that he may lose the championship to someone who
he believes he can beat any day of the week.
I guess what you're really saying here is that Rossi views Capirossi and
Pedrosa and maybe Melandri as real competition, but Hayden is just a
pretender? Are those Rossi's thoughts, or are they really just yours?
As for Dani, yes, he's probably in the best situation for a class rookie
in the history of the sport, and the way things have worked out at the
front - Rossi's bad luck and other problems, Capirossi's injury,
Hayden's bike problems, etc. - has played into making him look even
better than he's really been.
Quote: It's like every weekend this year. There's two people way out front and
then 10 people covered by a half second. You only have to be a fraction
off the pace to drop 8 places. People like Edwards aren't going slow.
They're just not quite as fast as the others.
And I think that small margin largely comes down to equipment
differences now. The advancements in tires and electronics have shifted
the balance even more toward the bike side of the equation, more than
ever before. So things like fundamental bike advantages, getting a good
setup, making the right tire choice (and perhaps rider weight!) are huge
factors. So when Hayden said, "It was quite a frustrating day because we
didn't have enough speed today. We got a little bit behind on Friday and
yesterday's qualifying session was washed out which didn't help, but the
bottom line is the guys in front of me were faster today. I felt like I
rode my hardest and for that I'm proud, but at this level sometimes that
isn't good enough. I've got no excuses - the bike, the set-up and the
tyres were pretty good, yet we couldn't quite go at their speed" and
Edwards said, "We've had the same problems since Mugello - I don't have
enough rear grip and I can't push the bike as hard as I need to. This
weekend we turned it upside down but still couldn't find that little bit
of grip we need. We've been following Valentino a little with the
setting and today I had virtually the same as him. I don't know how he
does it, but somehow he does and today I couldn't", it's probably less
about riding than it sounds on the surface. The equipment is closer than
it's ever been, but if you don't have the stuff, you can't get there. So
guys like Edwards and Melandri are off the pace more than on it, and
Gibernau can come off a long period of inactivity after a couple
surgeries and post one of his best results of the year, and Pedrosa can
get hurt and then shot up to the point where he could probably barely
feel his leg and finish a close 3rd. When it's working, it's working,
and when it's not, it's not. |
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