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| Mark N |
 Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:42 pm |
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Will Hartung wrote:
Quote: "Mark N" wrote
Wrong, there's no question that the AMA should allow 1200cc twins (and
1100cc triples) starting in 2008, and they should announce that change
as soon as possible.
Yea, I basically felt that whatever they were going to do, we'd have to wait
for '08 anyway for the rule changes.
The AMA is kind of stuck in that regard, having made such a public
position on keeping the SB rules as-is until '08, mostly as a result of
that fat pig Preston's constant assertions to the effect that the
instability of the rules had been the reason that Kawi hadn't come back
into the class. In that regard, the AMA did the smart thing by putting
him on the rules committee, so any changes that do happen aren't a
surprise to him into which he didn't have input. I guess things like
traction control changes in all classes don't count...
But now I wonder if Yamaha is going to
Quote: bother with SB next year. I think they'll probably simply punt and wait for
the rule changes, while sticking to FX.
My guess is that's unlikely, I would think that they're probably in too
deep already. Any rule changes are likely to be minor with regard to
1000-4s, and will likely at least have some resemblance to what changes,
if anything, in WSB. I would guess that they'll stay in FX as well, as
that fits with their traditional Daytona-based marketing strategy.
Quote: Ultimately I still think middleweight SBs may be the real future, as
these literbikes may just get out of hand, both in racing and on the
street. And then we start over...
Modulo talent, do you think an FX team is any cheaper to run than a SB team?
Not really, seems like the major difference in the rules is the
requirement of a stock swingarm in FX.
Quote: Do you think there would be any distinction whatsoever between FX and SB600?
Well, any substantial distinction.
I have no idea, but I would hope that they'd open up the rules again,
make it more of a true SB class. My guess is that they'd leave some of
the cost-related rules in place, like one set of replacement internal
gearing, but I'd like to see the rules opened up more like the old days.
They don't have to worry about them making too much power like the
1000-4 SBs.
The problem is SStock - they can't have those bikes posting faster times
than SB. At the moment the times are still faster in SStock than FX.
Something has to change the math there.
Quote: What if AMA dumped SB1000 entirely for SB600 in '08. Wouldn't that be
interesting.
Never happen. They will only make that sort of change through that
committee, and committees don't do that sort of thing. The only way it
happens is if the factories made a natural migration to FX first (the
AMA could assist that by not treating SSport like the #2 class any
longer, start running those races on Saturday, not have them be a
featured class in the Speed coverage, etc.) and there was something that
occurred worldwide that drove such a radical change. The AMA tends to
construct classes and just wait to see what happens, and FX/MWSB would
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| Mark N |
| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:23 am |
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T3 wrote:
Quote: "Mark N" wrote
Wrong, there's no question that the AMA should allow 1200cc twins (and
1100cc triples) starting in 2008, and they should announce that change
as soon as possible.
Ya' think?
Yes, I think, and not because Ducati isn't or can't win the way the
rules are now, that has nothing to do with it. They should do it because:
1) The rules as currently constructed are poor, allowing more mods if
you have fewer cylinders.
2) This is an opportunity for the AMA to lead, which may help bring
Ducati back, and sooner.
3) It's the right rule in my judgment, and Ducati supports it.
Check out what your boy Medley had to say. I particularly liked
Quote: this part..
"Medley chose his words carefully when asked whether he believed the Ducati
999 is uncompetitive in Superbike because of the technical rules. "I'm not
going to get into it, but I will say that it's my opinion that it's not the
bike. Not now. Maybe Ducati could use some help in the rules department in
the future, but as of right now, this bike we have is capable of winning
races and should be on the box (podium) every weekend. A very important
factor changed here between last year and this year and in my opinion that's
why we're not running so well."
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Aug/0608250dc1.htm
Hmm, kinda' cryptic for a guy that just got lost his job, doncha' think?
Sounds cryptic because he doesn't want to burn any bridges. My guess is
that it has to do with management personnel in the team, which did
change notably over the last year. But it could even be something like
Jim Allen fucking with Ducati, who have a record of being "disloyal" to
Dunlop in the AMA - Ferracci running Pirellis (?) and Michelins, and
Austin running Michelins in '04. Then again, he could just be commenting
on the loss of E-Boz, who in fact is the only Ducati rider to win in the
dry since '99, but I would guess not. |
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